Ever looked into her eyes Maureen. She’s one ass kicking bitch. She’s no mouthpiece of Bush’s. She’s setting policy.
So exactly how has Condi fucked up the situation in the Middle east?
Tell that to the American public which largely supported the invasion of Afghanistan.
How about “Israel needs to neutralize a threat its women and children”
Attitudes like this are what this world needs to put behind it if we are ever able to live together with mutual respect.
Sure non-violence is a goal. But is it your short-term goal or your long-term goal?
I had to look it up and was surprised to see it spelled that way, too.
Of course the goal is peace, but if “progress away from violence” helps out Hizbolla, I don’t see why Israel should agree to that. There was peace, and what happened? Hizbolla armed itself to the teeth and decided to flex its muscles. Plus, Hizbolla is operating outside the control of any government. If we were talking about gov’t of Lebanon, I’d agree with you. Governments have international interests that can used as leverage. I don’t know what leverage anyone has with Hizbolla.
Isreal’s existence is threatened every second of every day, and if you don’t see that then we really don’t have any common ground for discussion. This latest escalation of hostilities is one battle in a long-term effort by certain entities to wipe Israel off the map. That’s the stated goal of Iran (and it’s proxy, Hizbolla) as well as Hamas. A ceasation of violence helps them accomplish that goal, and puts Israel in a weaker position. I don’t blame Israel one bit for it’s policy of retaliation every time it’s hit by one of its enemies.
I know you bring up “murdering civilians” as a defense of your argument, but civilians are going to die in every war. If you take the policy that killing civilians is never justified, then you’re just inviting agression against yourself. It’s a suicide pact that none of us should ask another country to take.
If Hizzbolla would just stop doing this shit…
Uncle Beer, I thought you meant diplomatic triumphs in general. But Nixon’s and Carter’s work with China would broadly fall under that category. Well. More of an advance than a triumph, but still.
Why is it not a goal, though? No true progress can be made until there’s a cessation of violence. The same three groups have been going around and around about this issue for how long? And how has killing helped further that? All over the refusal to accept a fairly obvious fact; namely that the other two groups are not going to go away and that all three groups have legitimate claims.
Well in a way you are correct. If Hizbolla and Hamas get there way, all the Jews will disappear there will be peace in Palestine. at least as much as there is in Uzbekistan.
How about “This is the same bullshit excuse Israel and Palestine have been using for generations to justify the atrocities they carry out, accomplishing nothing but further destabilization of the ME”?
You seem to be under the impression I support either side in this war. I don’t. I think they’re all idiots who refuse to accept reality. Nothing will satisfy either of them except the complete extinction of the other.
The stabalization of a region while desirable is no substitute for the respect for human life. It might pain your ass that there is a violent conflict out there in the Middle East, but one side is after genocide, with no justification, while the other wishes to secure the literal survival of its people.
Which side is which? I’ve never really been able to tell.
How has the violence been helfpuf? Israel still exists– that’s how it’s been helpful. Hizbolla is a terrorist* organization funded by Iran. You don’t make peace by playing nice with terrorists. Sometimes you have to strike them and strike them hard. It’s an unfortunate situation that Lebanon cannot control what goes on in its own country, but that doesn’t mean Israel has to just sit back and take it.
*I know that’s an overused word these days, but it applies to Hizbolla.
Hint: It’s the side whose stated goal is to wipe the other side off the face of the earth. Pretending that there is moral equivalency between Israel and Hizbolla is pretty sad, Dio, even for you.
Why is the existence of Israel a a particularly noble goal in itself?
(By “existence of Israel” I mean as a political entity, not the physical existence of its people. To put it another way, why is Jewish control of the region a more noble goal than Palestinian control or shared control?)
Unfortunately, Israel and Palestine can no longer continue to act as though their continued grudge match is only a minor annoyance to other countries. It’s a major component in the destabilization of the ME. Other countries and various splinter factions are taking sides (Iran, Syria, the U.S., Lebanon, Hamas, etc.) and contributing to the unrest, dragging the rest of the ME with it. Both sides say the same thing; the other side are terrorists, we’re fighting for our survival. The war has solved nothing. Whether or not they want to play nice, it’s time to put the guns away.
Both sides seem to have that goal.
I don’t. I have a problem with your neutrality
That is true on one side but not the other. That is the crux of your error. Speaking in broad brush terms, Israelis want peace. real peace. Hizbollah seeks the destruction of Jews in “Muslim lands” and they are getting better at it. One fucking Jew at a time. Its a bonus if there Katusha missiles find a cluster of kikes.
Yes. The Camp David Accords.
It’s not. There needs to be some form of shared control, but that’s not going to come about by Israel lying back and thinking of England while they get fucked up the ass by their Arab neighbors.
The same can be said about the Palestinians lying back and accepting apartheid.