Do you know who ELSE compared the swastika to the confederate battle banner? That’s right, I’ve heard that since the Nazi swastika is illegal in Germany, neo-Nazis use the confederate flag as the next best thing. So at least some do see the similarities.
No one said the north is fixated on the civil was; what i said was that the majority of threads on the subject are started by people from the north: Why this is so I don’t know but i believe it is a fact. Plus, one more time, the flag usually called the confederate flag is not and was never a confederate flag; if people insist on referring to it they should at least get it right: It was a battle standard and not an official flag of the confederacy. Get it right or don’t mention it.
What, you don’t like the Dukes of Hazzard?
Good luck. Don’t forget us little people, a.k.a. the cannon fodder.
Tell them yourself; it’s not up to me to fight their ignorance. In fact I never heard of this organization until it was brought up in this utterly pointless thread.
First to your OP statement, the ‘all men are created equal’ was originally by a people who held slaves, so you can’t play that card.
Confederate sympathizers can mean lots of things. it will be the meaning to the person that is the sympathizer which very well could be state’s rights or personal rights. A person can be very much against slavery but not think it’s the government’s job to stop it, but a grass roots movement, a change of heart of the people.
With the industrial revolution coming slavery may not have had much more time anyway, and the war was certainly costly and very bloody. Was the federal government needed to force a end at such a high cost? Was it a unjust use of force.
It is also very arguable that the US is founded on the principal that it is not just OK, but a moral imperative to break away from a oppressive government by force if needed.
Self-government at the county level, self-government at the national level – it’s not all the same, but it’s all equally self-government.
No country is founded on a principle.
Depravity? I fail to see how a Southern plantation owner working a black kid to death in a sugar cane field is more reprehensible than a Northern mine owner working a white kid to death in a coal mine. If you see any important moral difference between the two, you have a vivid imagination.
“Slavery, shmavery” --Straight Dope Message Board poster “LonesomePolecat”
Gee, I thought America was supposed to be a “proposition nation,” but apparently it’s not. If a country isn’t founded on a principle or principles, what is it founded upon?
Sure Jews have been hated and killed for being jews for centuries… the holocaust took it to a new level don’t you think?
Get back to me when you have an actual point to make.
The point is that you are apologizing for slavery.
Point 1- Your fine upstanding ancestors started a war in order to preserve the right to own people aka "animate property. It sure sucks that war meant burning and killing. Seems like that war might have been a bad idea in the long run. But you have nobody to blame but your predecessors who thought it was worth it to keep the right to own human beings like one owns chickens.
Point 2- I, at least, and I’m willing to bet the majority of us, would be MORE than happy to get over it. Most of us are over it. However, many of your regional fellows continue to fly the banner that THE VAST MAJORITY OF FOLKS CALL THE CONFEDERATE FLAG and sing songs about how “If the south would have won we’d have had it made” and other hocum. They found websites defending the existance of a nation-state built on the sole purpose of holding onto slaves. If nobody flew the stars and bars again starting right now, it would hurt nobody. But folks continue to do so, and those people, like it or not, often romanticise the ante-bellum south, and hold onto the antiquated idea that Negros are less human than they are.
We’ll be more than happy to get over it, as soon as you folks do.
Atlantic Monthly blogger T. Coates has done a considerable amount of writing and research on this issue:
Exactly.
But only the right of white people, right? What rock are you guys crawling out from?
A government can be founded on a principle. A country is simply a country. It is not “founded” on anything, generally it just grows. The American nation, the national culture on this continent, existed before Independence and would still exist if we had never broken from the UK, or if we had done so and adopted some other form of government. France has been through 10+ regime changes since 1789 and, through it all, remains France; China has endured even more, for millennia, and remains China. America is a nation-state like France or China, not an idea-state like the Soviet Union, which collapsed when people stopped believing in it (but Russia remains).
“Holding on to slaves”? What do you think this is, the 19th Century? In the New Confederacy, there will be no negroes at all.
If you fail to see any important moral difference between the two, you have a deficient one.