V.2 of a previous thread.
I vote CSA.
I believe that if a state is composed of free people, they should be free to secede.
Of course, I believe that war is abhorrent, and I doubt that I would back any side in one now if one came up, regardless of the cause. But, if I had to choose, I would say good on the South.
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You must remember, those states were not 100 percent free people.
I’d support the U.S.A.
The Union won and things were horrid for blacks in the South, I can’t imagine how it would have been had the South won.
While there may have been other issues, the Big One was whether people can be property, yes? I vote No. As for the ability of states to secede if they wish? Sure - as long as all the residents of age are “free” to vote. I’m backwards like that.
Actually, there’s a movie called C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America about that. It’s a mock documentary that imagines what might have happened if the South won.
As a tea-drinking limey, my country didn’t even recognise the CSA, so by default the answer is the Union.
Hitler.
Hmmm.
I think that states should have the right to secede, but I also disagree strongly with the CSA’s premise about slavery, so I’d go with the USA.
Oh jeez, now you’ve gone and ruined it for everyone else. :dubious:
I would have supported the USA, and I’d have supported executing every single slaveholder on top of that. Including sending assassins to hunt them down if they fled to other countries. They were utter monsters.
Assuming I was born where I was born some 150+ years later, it would have been the CSA. 3/4 of my family would have been in the Confederate Army.
I mean, unless you’re assuming current knowledge?
USA. I understand the desire of slaveholders to be free to have their own ass-backwards, oligarchic, banana republic. I’m just a freedom-hater, I guess, because my desire is to see that place crushed, its leaders hanged, and slaves released.
The fact is that most Americans of that day–North and South, including Abraham Lincoln, and also including most actual abolitionists–were vile racists by modern standards. The whole country had been built, one way or another, on the profits of slavery; racism and slavery are the heritage of every American. If moral distinctions between sides in the War are to be drawn, they should be on other bases.
The Union.
The Confederacy was just a bunch of spoiled brats and bullies who tried to take their ball and go home when they weren’t allowed to make the rules and choose all the leaders.
It’s all well and good to say that the North was full of racists. That’s true, and racism is alive and well today. But there are degrees, and it takes some pretty radical misreading of history to act as if “racism” and “chattel slavery” are neck-and-neck in the whole evil Olympics.
The fact is that most people of that day - Allies and Axis - were vile racists by modern standards. The whole world has been built, one way or another, on the profits of slavery; racism and slavery are the heritage of every human. If moral distinctions between sides in the War are to be drawn, they should be on other bases.
Historical revisionism. Equating people who owned slaves with those who opposed slavery is disgusting, and slavery was an economic burden not a benefit. It was self indulgent stupidity, besides being utterly evil.
who would you support based on principle?
who would you support based on practical considerations? it could depend on where you lived.
You only say that out of a sense of historical perspective. For all you know, you would have been a slave holder yourself in those circumstances.
While I do abhor slavery, and I’m a northerner, I also realize that the Civil War was not just about the common, facile answer “slavery,” and so I have a hard time deciding whom I’d support. Of course, that’s today’s response; it would have been a whole lot easier back then.