Confusing east and west

I’m sure there are plenty of people confused about why North Carolina is in the South.

I’ve told this story before, but my late wife grew up in Tucson. Which is in a large valley in the desert bounded by 4 distinct mountains / ranges roughly in the 4 cardinal directions. Each a different shape and distance away. But all readily visible and uniquely identifiable from anywhere in the mostly barren, mostly flat, low-rise city. Which made getting around the mostly rectilinear street grid of Tucson pretty easy & instinctive.

Before we got married I lived in Las Vegas. A similar desert valley surrounded by 4 distinct mountains / ranges also of varying shape and distance. But generally closer-in than Tucson’s. And with a similar mostly rectilinear street grid in a mostly flat and then low-rise city. (minus the high rise Strip)

We get married, she moves in with me, and simply cannot avoid getting lost while driving. This was long before GPS devices.

We eventually diagnose the problem. The 4 mountain ranges each have a rough visual counterpart in the other city. But if Tucson’s are ordered NESW, the visually corresponding ones in Vegas are (IIRC) ENSW. So sorta upside down & twisted sideways with no easy rotational transformation.

She eventually got good at Vegas navigation, but more from learning the roads and learning to ignore the mountains.

If only I had that excuse! I pay no attention whatsoever to the sun. My last house AND my current house, the sun comes streaming directly into my bedroom and wakes me up far too early. Can I remember that that direction is east? Not for the life of me. Even though I know perfectly well that the sun rises in the east and stays that direction of me until true noon.

You need to work on your magnetoreception

or at least discerning polarized light

I feel like this has left-right error.

Are you sure you have that right?

What’s interesting to me is that, in Cleveland, my sense of direction is (usually) pretty good, because I have an intuitive sense of which way the Lake is. Outside of Cleveland, though, it varies wildly. In Chicago, my sense of direction works and is always wrong, because I can still tell which way the lake is, except the lake is in the wrong place. At my grandparents’ house (far from any major bodies of water), it also worked, but was also wrong. In Philadelphia, my sense of direction just didn’t work, at all: I had no sense, right or wrong, of what any direction was.

But in Bozeman, MT, where the dominant geographical features are mountains, not lakes (the nearest and most prominent range to the NE, and the next-most-prominent to the SE), my sense of direction worked again, and was correct.

I’ve since come to the conclusion that my lake-sense is actually an awareness of which way the ground is sloping, where “towards the lake” is actually “downhill”. In both Bozeman and at my grandparents’ house, the direction I sensed as north was mostly downhill, and Philadelphia is pretty flat.

From 5 years ago:

I have a terrible sense of direction, but at least I knew where east and west were when we lived in Alaska and Portland. The Midwest is so bland that I have no idea what is where other than I-94. In the military, I always gave the compass to someone else when we were doing map-and-compass drills. I can get lost in a large building, and possibly even in a large bathroom. Did I turn left into the parking lot? Well, I’ll more than likely turn left leaving the parking lot and end up having to turn around.

I’ve only observed men mixing up east and west online, no women.

That’s quite wrong.

Should be “I have chosen.”

Or why West, Texas is in East Texas.

Only if you want to be wearing buttons and bowsen.

At the risk of being whooshed, I was quoting the old song “Buttons and Bows.”

I grew up living on the north side of my hometown, so the downtown area was south. Now I live south of the downtown area, and my brain refuses to accept this.

North Carolina has many Southern traditions, but it’s not the Deep South. South Carolina is.

I’ve also seen folks arguing that Arizona or New Mexico is in the South. Geographically, maybe, but not culturally.

It’s also been said that, in Florida, the further north you get, the more south you are.

Never mind.

This?

Or this?

Emphasis added to both quotes.

On edit: looks like you discovered the same left-right error others have. :smiley:

You caught me before I realized my error. :slight_smile:

Yeah, you’re right and DPRK goofed. I think. Maybe Chinese folks label stuff even stranger than we know. :slight_smile:

Whereas about two-thirds of Brooklyn is south of South Brooklyn.

(And at least a third of Boston is south of South Boston - not to be confused with the South End.)

When younger I had issues with left and right. Now that I am married the old saying “lefty lovey, righty flighty” about which finger a ring is on cleared that up.

Stage left/right, and working on a vehicle (left side of car vs. the left side of the engine) still makes me pause and think for a moment.