Congressman attacks student for daring to ask him a question

Huh? You think there is something demeaning about those who bathe the elderly? That’s fucked up. Do you really think that the elderly who can’t bathe themselves shouldn’t be bathed? That’s just friggin’ —odd.

And I say this who someone who aligns with you pretty well politically. Though I’m finding that to be a little embarrassing right now.

That was pathetic. You called him a gaywad and then said he wanted to get manhandled. What a pile of shit that is.
You don’t have to harm some one to be aggressive and overstep your social bounds. You do not know what he wanted. You can not say he wanted to get mauled by the politician. Battery is not just a technical definition. it describes a person going well past the line. He should be ashamed of himself for acting that way. You should know better than to defend him.

I don’t think there’s anything shameful about what you do. I just think there’s something very telling about it.

You exercise no judgment. No one cares what you think about anything. You are not paid for your ability to process information and render a decision upon which people with a lot at stake can rely based on your experience and your ability to consider past judgments of others. You are paid to hand people pills and make them dinner. This is telling about you.

You spend all day handing people pills and making dinner, and then you log in to the motherfucking SDMB to tell us all how to run the motherfucking country. Give me a goddamn break.

It’s “telling,” huh? What does it tell you? Do you think that’s all I’ve ever done? What does my time in the military tell you (and what the fuck have YOU ever done for your country)? My time in AmeriCorps? My time as a school teacher? My ability to read Classical Latin and Greek? My ten years as a professional cook? My 30 years as a musician and songwriter? What the fuck do you really think you know about me, you lonely, isolated snob?

Well, it appears he and others have been right about one thing: you’re an asshole. And, jut so you find it so important, that’s coming from someone who presidents and CEOs of companies of all sizes seek advice from.

Unbelievable.

A couple of things here:

First, I think you nicely illustrate the problem when people like you call people like me selfish.

There I am, going to work every day, helping people structure transactions in a more tax-efficient way, which allows them to do those transactions, which create jobs and help build buildings and infrastructure and what-not. And I make a bunch of money doing it. And I don’t want a huge percentage of that money doing to support a bloated government. And people like you call me selfish.

There you are, doing jobs that make you feel good about yourself but don’t add a lot of value, and learning classical Latin and Greek and developing your musical talents, which enhance you but don’t do shit for anybody else.

Everything you’ve done is basically self-indulgent bullshit (but thanks for serving in the military, though, I’m serious here). And yet you call me selfish because I don’t want a bloated government that takes a huge percentage of the money I earn. Seems to me that you are the selfish one to me.

Second, as I said above, no one pays you to exercise your judgment. I consider at least 100 discrete questions a day where I’m asked to exercise my judgment on something. You aren’t. So when you consider something that someone posted on here and weigh in with your judgment, I think it’s interesting to consider what that judgment is worth. No one is willing to pay for it, so I don’t think it’s worth a whole hell of a lot.

“of all sizes” means “mostly of not really much size at all.”

Thanks for you input. I was already well aware that many folks here think I’m an asshole. I’ve gotten over it.

This should put to rest the idea that it was ever your politics we objected to, you self-righteous s.o.b.

What was self-indulgent about serving in AmeriCorps (where I set up and ran summer day camps and tutored kids in inner city St. Paul) or being a teacher? Or being a cook, for that matter?

Never mind. On reflection, I really don’t give a fuck what you think.

Because you did it for the money and the chicks. Duh.

It’s classic self-indulgent do-gooder bullshit. Also, it shows your career trajectory. Looks like you basically didn’t know what the hell to do, so you joined the military (at a damn good time sounds like too, right between Vietnam and all that sandy stuff), then you cooked for a bit, then got a teaching certificate and taught some classes (with Americorps thrown in there somewhere and pills and dinner at the end).

All in all, your basic career path where you are unmotivated and going where the winds take you and then you finally get motivated but just to do do-gooder bullshit. Oh, and copious amounts of pot are consumed all along (until the wife comes along to put a stop to it).

Oh really? How about Fortune 500? How about Fortune 100? How about Fortune 20? How about Fortune 10? How about one of the most popular and admired companies in the world?

Well, congratulations on moving from “many folks” to closer to “everyone”. But since I am trying to help, let me tell you how you can increase your income by about 100 times: just find companies that value assholes. You’ll be raking it in.

And another thing, schmuck, change your user name. You’re embarrassing others that admire Ayn Rand.

Dio, don’t even bother trying to defend what you do to this colossal asshole. Just go back to being wrong about everything. :wink:

Yeah, I guess I might as well go ahead and voice my opinion that that I’ve come to regard RR as an asshole, myself.

I used to enjoy him. We agree on some things and not others, but all in all I mostly agreed with him and I enjoyed his interactions with the board’s liberals.

But just as I got more or less permanently turned off of Rush Limbaugh when he made fun of 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton’s looks on his TV show, I’ve gotten pretty well permanently turned off of RR because of his sexual insults aimed at Dio’s daughters. Yeah, they’re just kids and I doubt that they’ll ever even know what he said, but still that’s beyond the pale. Dio can be a huge, huge jerk and his behavior often belies his admittedly high intelligence, but his and everyone else’s family should be off-limits unless they’re adults and make offensive posts here.

I’m not gonna go looking for the link as I’ve suddenly found myself more than a little under the weather and I’m gonna pack it in for the night, but I’m sure Dio can link to RR’s offensive posts right away should he choose to do so.

And for whatever it’s worth to him, let me offer kudos also to gonzomax (and the other major lefties on this board) who’ve joined in condemnation of Rep. Etheridge’s behavior. There is much mutual and long-standing animus between gonzo and me, but what’s right is right and gonzo deserves recognition and appreciation for putting what’s right (and/or wrong) ahead of partisanship with regard to Rep. Etheridge.

Thank you. I appreciate it coming from someone I’ve never had a word of agreement with.

I’m tired of people calling me selfish because I have the temerity to make their lives better every single day. And many of the people that call me selfish are just like Dio, self-indulgent do-gooder assholes that don’t contribute to shit.

I agree with you that Dio is a very smart guy. But he doesn’t use his intelligence to help anyone else–he just selfishly studies the Bible and ancient languages and music. I use my intelligence to make everyone’s lives better. If you live in Illinois, then you can thank me for playing a part in several deals that got shit-loads of money to the government. I’ve helped people make investments all across the world–investments the wouldn’t have made if I didn’t help them achieve their tax goals and understand the tax consequences. But I’m just a selfish asshole somehow. I’m tired of it.

And I’m just tired (and not entirely sober). I’m going to bed.

From a legal sense, yes. Why does your list of who needs punching get to supersede my list, or the list of someone else?

I can totally understand the idea that some people deserve it, the old Texas idea that “some people need killing” (yes, I know this is not that serious). I just think it is important to understand and admit that the idea is not rooted in law and legal right vs. wrong, but in our own definition of what is ok. As the law can’t accommodate 300 million views, it has to be blind to who “deserves” it.

Would you be showing the same forbearance if the person accosted was George Bush and the questioners were Cindy Sheehan and company?

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Politics makes strange bedfellows indeed.

I never said you were selfish, RR. And FWIW, I admire very much your own intelligence, the things you’ve accomplished in your life, the work you do, and most of your political and business-related opinions. And I like your sense of humor. If it weren’t for your comments about Dio’s girls, I’d still be thinking you were a very cool guy.

But like I said, your comments about Dio’s daughters were really beyond the pale, no matter how selfish he said you were or how much he annoyed you. (I do appreciate your taking the time to explain your motivations though.)

That’s sort of close, but I knew what I wanted. I wanted to be a rock star. I graduated high school early, tried to go to college too young, dropped out and joined the Navy (not my fault it was between wars). After the Navy, I wanted to become James Hetfield. I fronted a series of bands as a guitarist, singer and songwriter, gigged a lot, but never hit it big. At the same time I was doing a lot of maintenance jobs cooking in restaurants. I decided that if I hadn’t made it before I was 30, I’d hang it up. I gave it until 28. I went back to college, got a useless BA in Religion and Classical Languages, then joined AmeriCorps, tried teaching and eventually ended up where I am now, after my wife’s career took off enough that I could just work weekends and be a Mr. Mom during the week.

I did smoke a lot of pot too, but I quit when my first kid was born in 1999.

That’s my trajectory, a mixture of pot-addled delusions of rock stardom and periodic bursts of idealistic volunteerism. I’d do it all again just the same. I’d much rather have the life I have now than to spend all day staring at tax forms.