Conspiracy idiots, come hither and watch my eyes roll

I, friedo, being of sound mind, do hereby declare the following:

  1. Tonight, at 9:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, I will willingly watch Fox Television, which will air Moon Conspiracy.

  2. Moon Conspiracy is a “documentary” regarding the theories alledging the fallacy of the moonlanding.

  3. I shall pay attention in full, and compose my flame of the entire show in real-time.

  4. I shall post said flame (see section 3) at or near exactly 10:00 PM Eastern Standard Time.

Signed:

(unintelligable scribbles)
-friedo

I’ll try to do the same thing. I believe it starts at 8 MST. How’s that for a commitment?

I’m gonna watch it. I know it’ll piss me off but I think it’ll be good for a laugh. I’ll probably complain too.
My God how can people be so stupid?!?!

I’m sure this particular poster will be part of the avid audience, taking notes …

16 posts from the top. Sorry, haven’t got the total hang o’ the system, yet …

…because a U.S. government, intent on creating a total hoax for the last 30+ years, would allow some dippy producer to interview all kinds of loose ends and present their facts in prime time.

Why am I not shocked that this is appearing on Fox… :rolleyes:

Here we go!

We have a standard disclaimer informing us that the following is conjecture, and that it’s not the only possible interpretation. A montage of moon imagery and sound bites from the quacks.

“You be the judge! Conspiracy Theory: Did we land on the moon?” Well, let’s find out!

A brief history of the moon landing, permeated by dumb rhetorical questions. The suspense is killing me!

We’re about to learn about “inconsistencies” in the film.

The stars! Where are the stars! Anyone who has taken a photograph at night will notice that the stars generally don’t show up. Next.

The flag is waving! No it’s not, it’s unfurling from its folded state due to gravity. This is amazingly obvious. Just look!

The theory now is that Apollo 11 simply orbited the earth for eight days, while the moon landing footage (pre-recorded, I guess) was being broadcast. This doesn’t explain how radio observatories in other countries, like Australia, saw the signals coming from the moon. Oh, they were part of the conspiracy too!

Now Area 51 is involved.

There are craters at Area 51. These craters are obviously used to fake the moon landing. Of course, the earth has more craters than the moon does, but most of them have been covered by life. One crater in the Nevada desert looks similar to one on the moon. One out of millions. Who woulda thunk it? They then showed an austonaut, alledgedly on the moon, describing the craters as “similar to the deserts in the southwestern United States.”

You’d think they would have deleted that from the script.

First commercial break. There have been no opinions from the rational world yet. The lone gunmen have their own show now. Neat.

There is a lack of engine noise on the official NASA footage of the LEM landing. I wonder if this has to do with the fact that they’re in SPACE. The inside of the LEM (CMIIW) is a vacuum. There would be no sound.

The LEM was very difficult to control on earth. I wonder if this has to do with the earth’s gavity being six times stronger, and having air. They make it sound like no changes were made to the LEM after the initial failures.

Finally, a NASA spokesman. They’re not giving him much time.

There is no blast crater where the LEM took off. NASA dude says the ammount of thrust required wouldn’t cause one.

There is no visible exhaust coming out of the LEM when it took off. My understanding of rockets tells me that there shouldn’t be, unless there is liquid water around to condense on the cooling gas. I could be wrong here, though.

Second commercial break… We’ve had some comments from rational people, but they are not given anywhere near enough time to counter the evidence from the whackos. Disapointing.

Why are the video signals so grainy? It’s obviously fake. Or maybe it’s because they were transmitting a signal from a poor quality camera several thousand miles to a radio telescope, where it is amplified rediculously, and broadcast to the world.

When doubling the speed of the film, it appears the astroauts are running in earth gravity. (Actually, it doesn’t, but whatever.) This doesn’t take into account the several hundred pounds of gear on the 'nauts back, and a rather poor understanding of how physics works.

How were thousands of pictures taken with such perfect clarity and perfect framing? Actually, there are several thousand pictures with terrible framing, but the only ones released as PR were the ones that lookied good.

Now we’re getting into the whole shaddow argument. The shadows are not parallell! Oh no! How are thing in the shadow still visible? Because light also reflects off the surface of the moon, twits. Why is a shot of an astronaut in front of the sun not in sillhouette? Any tool who has taken a photo class or understands basic optics knows why this is possible.

A camera crosshair is behind some items in the photos. All items that appear to be “in front” of the crosshairs are bright white. Anyone who has developed film can see that these are highlight areas and are overexposed. There’s no way a tiny black crosshair would show up on top of an overexposed highlight.

The NASA people have been given three soundbites in this act. Any actual explanations they give have been edited out. They are allowed to dismiss the quack’s claims, but not offer evidence of their own.

Third commercial break.

Now we’re moving away from science, and we’re into Mysterioud Deaths, the cornerstone of all conspiracy theories.

Was Appolo 1 an accident?!

Yes.

This doesn’t even have anything to do with the moon landing itself. Sheesh. Must be desperate for content. Sure is an expensive way to go about offing someone. How much do those rockets cost again?

Ten astronauts die in a few years in freak accidents. The fact that they’re doing the most dangerous job in the world has nothing to do with this.

Fourth commercial break.

They’re talking about how the Van Allen belts would have killed the astronauts. I don’t know anything about this topic, unfortunately.

A USSR cosmonaut says the Soviet space program “was not sure” how the radiation would affect the cosmonauts. This constitutes “proof” that the radiation was obviously deadly. Never mind that we have been measuring this stuff for years before we sent people up there.

Fifth commercial break.

Time for the conclusion. Rhetorical question time. More sound bites. Is there any way to put this controversey to rest? Why can’t we see all the LEMs and American Flags on the lunar surface? Because no telescope has good enough optics, that’s why.

The question will always remain, did we land on the moon?

Bah. I missed Battlebots for this?!?!

My local Fox affiliate is going to interview an astronaut now. Maybe there will be vindication.

Next up: holocaust denialists and real historians in a steel cage death match.

What a crock of shit Fox…“The question remains: Did we land on the moon”? No the question remains…how low will you stoop to get that all important knuckle dragging trailer trash demographic to watch your spew?

Damn bastards!!!

You made me watch. I was interested in how many explanations I could come up with by myself, without reading the thread.

::disclaimer::

I did read Cecil’s column about a year ago, or whenever it was that this got debated in GD. However, like a lot of useless trivia, I didn’t memorize it.
I was proud of my cynical self. The only ones I didn’t debunk imeddiately in my own head were the radioactive belts in space, the fact that they used aluminum in the space suits to protect them from radiation, and the cross hairs in the pictures.

…and now I’m smacking myself in the head about the cross hairs because that was a pretty obvious explanation.
Despite my best efforts, the future Mrs. Freedom is now doubting whether or not we landed on the moon.

As evidence, she cites the fact that our local Encore! movie channel recently broadcast an old movie where they pulled this crap with a fictional mission to mars.

Doh!!!
[sub]I love her soooo much[/sub]

Any debunkings of the radiation stuff?

I can’t believe I just wasted an hour watching that…that THING!! Just a few points that bugged me more than most:
Not many people know about the Van Allen belts?? I learned about them in the 8th grade! (no offence to friedo) I can’t be the only one! And the first picture they showed that had the sun in the background? I may be wrong but that wasn’t the sun. The circular light sure didn’t look like the sun that was shown in the next picture. If you go to the bad astronomer web site (http://www.badastronomy.com) one of the links under this topic says it’s a reflection in the lens of the camera and wow, that’s what it looks like. (go to this site, you can learn a lot. I was well informed before this show) Lastly the lack of time given to refute the accusations. How can people really believe this filth?

Links

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html

And as for radiation Freedom:
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/radiation.html

Say what you will about it, the simple fact remains, you watched it.

I am sincerely forever grateful to Friedo for watching this thing for me, and for posting his summary here.

Thank you. :slight_smile: Saves me having to go look up a transcript on the Web, 'cause I forgot it was on and missed it. :frowning: Dang.

Wow. I really have a lot more respect for our government. They’re a busy bunch! Not only are they staging elaborate massive space exploration and covering it up for this long, but they’re killing us with chemtrails disguised as ‘normal’ flight patterns, implanting microchips inside every newborn baby, hiding aliens and disecting them, keeping J.F.K. alive, AND rigging elections.

Good lord! Government workers should get paid more, don’t you think?

:smiley:

jarbaby

since i already began posting in the non-as-obviously-a-flame-thread about this topic in GD, i won’t go into detail here. but after perusing the “debunking” web sites, i became MORE persuaded of the possibility of a hoax. the science used to explain away the inconsistencies is oftentimes ridiculous and frequently self-contradictory.

i hadn’t followed arguments on either side until yesterday, but it seems to me that if it is really so stupid to suspect a hoax, there would be a lot more concrete debunkings out there. mostly it’s just people saying “you’ve gotta be stupid/unamerican to believe this conspiracy theory crap!”, and that sure isn’t science.

since i already began posting in the non-as-obviously-a-flame-thread about this topic in GD, i won’t go into detail here. but after perusing the “debunking” web sites, i became MORE persuaded of the possibility of a hoax. the science used to explain away the inconsistencies is oftentimes ridiculous and frequently self-contradictory.

i hadn’t followed arguments on either side until yesterday, but it seems to me that if it is really so stupid to suspect a hoax, there would be a lot more concrete debunkings out there. mostly it’s just people saying “you’ve gotta be stupid/unamerican to believe this conspiracy theory crap!”, and that sure isn’t science.

Hmmm. A double post.

What should we make of that?

CnoteChris: What should we make of it? We’ve all done the double post thing before… but… considering content… Well… a quick mathematical scribbling shows… a few neurons short a synapse.

woosh

:wink:

E.

i just installed netscape 6 and it’s a little different than the version i’m used to… so sue me.

for anyone who actually cares to THINK about the issue instead of just rejecting it out of hand, i’d recommend you check out the GD thread entitled “charity drive…”

there is a lot of bad science on the debunking pages. you want examples, i’ve got plenty.

thanks.

Actually, I thought the majority of the Earth’s craters have actually been destroyed over the years due to geological activity, like glaciers and volcanos and plates sliding under other plates and the such. I don’t think they have simply been covered up.

Nice debunking otherwise, though.

God, next thing you know, you guys are going to try to convince me that Fox’s Alien Autopsy was not true!