Am I right in understanding that you’re suggesting that the British government tests psychics and then issues them with official licenses ?
Pubs - most certainly. TV sets - controversially. Dogs - we used to. But licenses for psychics is a new one to this UK taxpayer.
ART Alright. Our government, at least according to the Nightline program that ran, financed STAR GATE over 20 years with 20 million dollars or something like that, at the end of which they more or less declared it to be a failure, and stopped the program. So, you all three were in it. Was it a failure?
PAUL This is Paul. No, it was far from being a failure. In fact, I – back while I was still on active duty, I wrote a review of the CIA report on that in which I discuss many of the problems with that report. It – you know I – it’s hard to say for sure, but it almost looked like it was consciously intended to prove the program was faulty, and yet, they did not consider anywhere near all of the evidence available to make that determination. From my own experience, and I think the other two will agree, while there were times when we fell flat on our faces there, there were times when we were unbelievably successful as well. That kind of holds true of any of the various intelligence disciplines. None of them are 100%, none of them are even close to 100%, sometimes they’re very successful and sometimes they’re not. So I would say, we were at least as successful as any of the other intelligence disciplines, and sometimes perhaps more so.
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the government also funded the Bradley vehicle for about 14 years.
The film The Pentagon Wars, gives an excellent account of the project. After years of development and billions in funding, the Bradley was-
A personnel carrier with room for less than half the number of soldiers it was originally meant to carry.
A scouting vehicle that was too noticable to do scouting.
Equipped with an excesive amount of rockets, guns, and ammo.
Shielded by aluminum armor. The stuff was easy to penetrate, and easy to ignite. Igniting the armor created a highly toxic gas, killing any passengers who miraculously survived the explosion of all fuel and ammo caused by the enemy shell.
The relevance is that a program may run for years and receive ample funds, without producing any useful product. I see no reason to assume that Star Gate was any more successful than the Bradley.
The only thing I was attempting to demonstrate through the example of the Bradley was that government programs can last years and receive billions and be miserable failures.
You have mentioned the duration of the Star Gate program and the amount of funding it received as evidence that it was successful. Applying those same criteria to the Bradley, it must have also been a success.
It wasn’t.
Therefore, duration and funds received are not evidence that Star Gate was a success. #2 NEVER lecture me on science. I am a member in good standing of the Institute Of Etheric Scientists. I have a PhD In EtherPsychology. I am a Scientist.
You made claims about Star Gate. You provided some evidence. I have evaluated that evidence and found it faulty. That Star Gate ran for so long is not proof that it did anything significant in that time.
Reading the Art Bell transcript you linked to GOM, I noticed a few things.
The quote is from one of the interviewees who claimed to be involved in the gov’t. remote viewing group. It’s an honest statement; he acknowledges that his experiments weren’t perfect, but simply satisfied himself. Fine as far as that goes, but worthless otherwise.
Bell himself goes on to accuse Randi of not being willing to set up an objective test (patently false as we’ve seen before).
The problem with the whole interview is…it’s Art Bell! I mean, come on. The guys credibility is weaker than, than a very weak thing.
True. We all know that, but if you feel it is important to demonstrate it yet again that is your right.
False.
Multiple people who were actually in the program, and in a position to know what they are talking about, say you are wrong. I lean towards believing them…
True. So what? That was not my claim. If you want to debate, please keep your facts straight.
Indeed. Google: Your search - “Institute Of Etheric Scientists” - did not match any documents.
Wrong again. I claim Stargate existed. Some people here were obviously not aware that our military was ever involved in a classified “psychic” program. You can put any spin on it you want to, but you cannot disprove that fact.
Not to get too off topic, I couldn’t find anything on google for etherpsychology or ether psychology. I would assume that if someone could get a doctorate in it, there would be at least ONE document out there about it. Care to explain where you got this doctorate and what it entails since you brought it up?
Thanks
[hijack]Uh… I don’t know where you get the idea that the Bradley was a failure. It’s one of the better IFVs out there, especially the later A3 versions… The fact that impossibly high expectations were placed on the design of it doesn’t mean there’s no “useful product.”
However, at least we have something to show for the Bradley project. Unlike Star Gate :)[/hijack]
Then obviously your statement that “nobody has ever died of cancer in my family” is unsupported?
And are refusing to clarify any of the questions I asked, apparently…
The psychic had one person go back three generations to find a hit on call three. On call four, she told the caller to go check with his relatives, because she “knew she was right,” and the guy was just supposed to dig untill he found the person it would match up with, even though he couldn’t think of anything even close to what she claimed. Dig back far enough, and you’ll eventually find someone, I’m sure. But you refuse to do what the psychic asked one of her callers to do?
It’s on transcript page 3, the statement was made by Lyn, and it was in reference to “Remote Influence,” a more “aggresive” form of the techniques they were experimenting with. I meant to mention that before.
The thing about these people is that since they were involved in the experiment and all clearly believe in what they were doing, they aren’t exactly impartial.
Also, I looked up the Legion of Merit award and couldn’t find any listing of Joe McConeagle getting any high award.