These tests may or may not have involved McMoneagle. Even if they did, the flaws of these tests don’t mean that McMoneagle doesn’t have RV ability. It just puts him in the same category with everyone else who claims to have psychic abilities. There have been attempts to repeat the P&T experiments. Success depended on the stringency of controls- the more stringent, the less success. For me the whole business belongs in the “I doubt it” category. I’m not saying that RV doesn’t happen- just that I doubt it does. I’m willing to and going to look into it further.
But yes, GOM do tell. What got you excited about MCmoneagle?
I believe in God and the reality of the highly intelligent, very powerful spiritual beings that He created. Angels and demons have had an influence on humanity since we were created. Unfortunately for science we cannot test, or usually even detect, these beings.
This remote viewing is claimed to be scientific but it is nothing more than playing around with the occult, imo. I don’t believe people have this ability of knowing the future or “seeing” distant locations on their own. I believe it is a deception, a growing deception I might add.
I don’t know for sure if Joe is telling the truth about everything, but there are multiple witnesses who state that sometimes remote viewing did obtain startling, and accurate, results. He strikes me as a person who believes what he says. Ed Dames is another one who believes in remote viewing because of his contact with our government program. I’m convinced it is dangerous.
If you’re asking me about Joe’s claim to an award, I will take him at his word until proven otherwise. His claim has been out there for years and since this topic gets the debunkers all riled up I find their silence on this point to be very close to confirmation that he is stating the truth. I find the debunkers tend to make a lot of noise when they find any trivial point to challenge, to the point of sometimes being extremely silly about it, yet they go completely silent when they know they are wrong.
I’m afraid to post anything after the first 5 pages I read. I just
want to say that when I was a teenager my mother dreamed at
least once a month of the back of our car gone. She kept telling everyone, for about 6 months to be careful when driving the car. She would say “I keep seeing this black spot that covers the back of the car. You be careful when you’re in that thing!” I got rear ended in it, they were going over 60mph at impact, after leaving 123 feet of skid marks. The back of the car was smashed up to the back seat.
I saw this and had a quick question: Since man is a sinner and we have free-will, are demons necessary? I was thinking about it the other day and was wondering what your take on the matter was. Do you think they might make a difference if someone was teetering on the edge of sinning? Sort of like, they give the person a push.
Glad you posted, don’t worry about the skeptics, they tend to be disrespectful of anything they don’t understand.
I believe it would be hard to find someone who hasn’t had a dream that came true. I know I have had many. Spirit communicates with us through dreams, intuition, feelings, and as we grow in spiritual matters, through the inner senses of our being.
Glad you shared this with us.
Love
Leroy
Pot.Kettle.Black - Specifically, Leroy, you have demonstrated a lack of knowledge concerning evolution, yet you have argued that there is more evidence for the reality and reliability of NDEs than there is for evolution.
Can I have a cite on this? where did you get this quote?
Qoute? I guess you mean the “man is a sinner” thing. Frankly I did a bit of assuming, I didn’t mean it to be literally take as a “fact”. I’m not sure if GOM considers mankind to have original sin or to be sinners, I am assuming this though based on my experiences with some other Christians (if I’m mistaken and GOM doesn’t believe this, I apologize). Is it correct? I don’t know, so take it as my anecdotal opinion of some Christians beliefs.
Meatros,
No, I mean a cite that shows I ever posted what you are saying I posted.
OH :o :o D’oh!!
I’m sorry about that! It seems I misattributed the qoute! I was reponding to GOM qoute!
Dang, I missed that! Sorry about that! :o
you posted that I posted this:
Originally posted by SimonX
I believe in God and the reality of the highly intelligent, very powerful spiritual beings that He created. Angels and demons have had an influence on humanity since we were created. Unfortunately for science we cannot test, or usually even detect, these beings.
I have no memory of posting this. that’s why I’m asking where you got this quote.
oh.
okay.
I have absolutely no idea how your name got involved in my qouting…
This is GOM’s entire post, to which I meant to attribute the qoute to:
Absolutely, and I believe that is true.
Toof, regardless of what Lekatt says about skeptics, I appreciate your post.
All we (the skeptics here) have been trying to point out is that there’s no proof that “supernatural” events actually occur.
I don’t doubt your story, but I’d ask you to consider the possibility that your mother didn’t predict the crash. The fact that she had dreams about car crashes before it happened isn’t a causal relationship, in either direction (a prediction could be considered to be an effect that occurs before the cause). Car accidents are a fact of life, and so are dreams, even recurrent ones. That the two sometimes seem to coincide is simply that. Coincidence. Remember, it was over a period of several months from her first dream to your accident. had her dream specifically, precisely demonstrated the accident that you incurred, that might suggest something, but “a black spot that covers the back of the car” is vague and could be interpreted in other ways. A car cover draped over the trunk might have reminded her of her dream, or a splash of mud.
I’m not mocking you here, I just want you to consider how likely it is that your mother actually predicted the crash, and how much more likely it is that the crash might have occurred anyway, and simply reminded you of your mothers dreams. It could have been somebody else in your family or even a friend in a crash, and it could have still given the same impression after the fact, that it had been predicted.
Whoa, wait a second here. Are you actually asserting that there is more proof for psychics than there is for evolution?:eek:
Uptopic I said
Your response:
I must not be reading this correctly. Surely you did not intend to agree that you lack knowledge of evolution?
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-GOM- If you’re asking me about Joe’s claim to an award, I will take him at his word until proven otherwise. His claim has been out there for years and since this topic gets the debunkers all riled up I find their silence on this point to be very close to confirmation that he is stating the truth. I find the debunkers tend to make a lot of noise when they find any trivial point to challenge, to the point of sometimes being extremely silly about it, yet they go completely silent when they know they are wrong.
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Trivial points can make all the difference in research.
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Is it silly to insist on evidence with regard to some of the claims that have been made here? Not just heresay or “feelings,” but actual hard evidence
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As to going silent, it’s not because we know we’re wrong, but because
a] Some have gotten tired of the argument and
b] Some are still trying to find information.
SimonX has filed requests for information regarding McMoneagle. Until it comes through, we have only your posts and a few extremely biased web pages telling us about his awards. When it’s clear what awards he received and for what reason, then that can be discussed more fully. In any case, a medal still isn’t proof that Remote Viewing actually works. It just means somebody felt he had worked hard and deserved the medal. It’s a matter of opinion. Evidence is not.
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True.
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No. Not at all. I don’t expect anything about “remote viewing” or any other “psychic” abilities that gets posted on a message board to be counted as evidence. I could be wrong though.
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My apologies. I wasn’t talking about this thread, or anyone in it, but about my experience with debunkers in general, after observing for several years on the net. I’ll try to be more clear in the future. I’m actually looking forward with interest to whatever SimonX turns up.