You guys can believe what you will but I submit that garlic, silver bullets and stake/steak sauce will not work any better than so called “remote viewing”.
Months and months go by…
Anything yet?
As far as your question goes I’m pretty sure I previously stated that I won’t be sending for any documents. Joe is very much disliked by the debunkers. If they could have disproved his claim they would have done so years ago. The fact that they are silent is strong support of Joe’s claim.
The debunkers only go silent when they have lost an argument. That’s one thing I’ve learned from the internet.
It is not up to debunkers/skeptics to disprove anything.The burden of proof is upon Joe to demonstrate his alleged remote viewing capabilities.
However, as an aside I do seem to remember reading a rather thorough debunking/expose on the matter several months ago.I will search for the link as time permits.it would surebe halpful if someone could demonstrate such abilities under controlled conditions though.
umm…
I already got a response and posted it verbatim in this thread.
I guess you must’ve missed it.
It’s not easy to see how you would’ve missed it, since it’s immediately under the post of mine that you just quoted.
Cool.
Guess I better get these glasses checked!
apology accepted.
If makes no differance now as to what the afterlife will bring to pass. then when that time comes to pass it will make no differance as it will be all too late to make any differance (change) at all!
The claims of the paranormal, overunity energy devices, spoon bending and adaptations of prestidigita’torial arts must be proved to be legitimate and real under controlled scientifiec conditions.
It is not the responsibility of the skeptics and debunkers to disprove that which does/may not exist.
Welcome to the SDMB, springears!
Errm, I hate to break it to you, but that is precisely what has been repeated ad nauseam for …[drumroll]…
36 pages!
45 pages in my set up
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Our own government ran a remote viewing program for many years. It got results. Joe was one of the “viewers”. He got an award for his work. Most of his work is still classified. I don’t know if he still practices this kind of thing. I wouldn’t touch it with a ten-foot pole. It’s messing around with the occult.
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Really? Then why do they do such a continual vociferous job of debunking when they find any small detail out of place? And why do they go silent when they cannot disprove something? That’s wanting to have it both ways.
The studies are still just as flawed and the results are still just as poor as the last time this was brought up.
The Master Speaks:
Did the U.S. government fund psychic research?
If you like you can search through the thread to where I linked to peer review of Stargate and the several associated studies, AND the various attempts to replicate them that has been compiled by the Natl Academy Press.
Targ and Puthoff were sucking up grant moiney and generating flawed results, (apparently), to continue their million dollar+ funding.
We’ve been through this before. I’m surprised you’ve brought it up again. Or did you “overlook” my posts about this too?
I wouldn’t touch it w/ a twenty foot pole because Invisible Pink Unicorn told me not to.
If someone offers snake oil for sale, is it up to the consumer to prove that it doesn’t work, or up to the purveyor to demonstrate that it does work?
falling into meditative trance
I’m getting a message…
Harry Houdini says that John Edward better live a long time because he’s in for a major asswhipping when he dies. There are some serious libel suits waiting for him up here also.
It was hovering at the top of page one, don’t blame me. My abilities as a thread killa might come in handy, but this thread has supernatural powers of resurrection.
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SimonX answered this quite well but if GOM is a true paranormalist then he will simply slink away for a little while til things blow over then bring up the same BS again later(maybe at a different MB).
Sigh What can you do?
Debunking does NOT meaning “disproving”.NOTHING…no existential claim that could ever be made can be disproven empirically and skeptics above all know better than to attem,pt such a thing.Therefore according to your assertion, we are silent an awful lot!You should be happy.
Debunking, as many skeptics enagage in the endeavor is simply revealing suspicious and extraordinary claims as not being rationally justified.When Shermer or Randi or Penn & Teller put the smackdown on some paranormal snake oil salesman they are just demonstrating how relatively easy it is to perform or duplicate the paranormalist’s/supernaturalist’s feat without themselves posessing or utilizing any such powers or “gifts from the beyond”.
Bottom line:It is relatively easy to construct a double blind, controlled test to demonstrate the validity of remote viewing and if RM was an actual phenomenom it could easily be demonstrated under such conditions.
No one has EVER done so.
Didn’t anyone ever tell you that science can not measure everything in this world. Science is limited to the knowledge of those that use it, like every tool is, if they don’t know it exists, they won’t find it.
Whatever do you mean by this? Do mean that people already knew all scinetific discoveries that have been made? Surely you don’t mean this. It’s obvious that the scientific method of rational observation and inquiry has led to the discovery of many things that were not previuosly known.
You’re not deying that there have been discoveries of previously unknown phenomena via scientific methods are you, Kenneth?
Remote viewing? AHA just what is needed in Iraq to find Saddam!
If all the conjobs really worked as ‘advertised’ the mediums and charlatans would have the proverbial path to their door beaten down and have so much money they would be on the beach in Miami or San Trope.
Wouldn’t it be a grand way to beat the (stock) market!
Rmers have already been looking for Usama bin Laden. RMers said that Elizabeth Smart was dead.
Praagh is just another con artist. He believes there is no such thing as death. Well now just what are all the funeral homes and cemetaries doing but putting dead people to rest is there is no such thing as death.
Perhaps he has appropriate the biblical view of death on earth as being a separation of the spirit (life force and consciousness) from the body and the spirit then goes to heaven.
If he truly believes that then he has deceived himself in to beleiving a lie as he is practicing deceit for filthy gain.
spingears you should visit ndeweb.com for proof. Go on now, don’t be afraid. Youi’ll be lured there sooner or later, so you mighth as well go now.