Here’s a development I wasn’t expecting - Pat Robertson is now speaking out against police brutality.
It seems as though you are the quarry.
Y’know, anything of value is taken out of the quarry, not thrown in.
Puts your contribution in the proper perspective, QuickSilver.
What’s the problem? That is just how American policing is done. Yell and scream at the suspect/citizen very rapidly and loudly. Be sure you have at least one of your weapons pointed at the suspect/citizen at all times.
If the suspect/citizen is believed to have committed a felony shoot them if they say anything. If it’s believed to be a misdemeanor then only shoot them if they move their arms or legs. Do not give the suspect/citizen any opportunity to answer your accusations and above all, do NOT let the suspect/citizen leave the scene until either 1) you order them to leave, or 2) they are dead.
Remember, the suspect/citizen doesn’t have to be non-white to be accosted like this, but it helps. The problem isn’t unfair treatment of minorities by police, the problem is cops are being way too soft and easy on the whites.
April 10: Prosecutor says Adam was holding gun when he was shot
Saturday, prosecutors described what the officer’s body camera footage showed, alleging Adam was holding a gun when the officer shot him.
Lying sack of shit had seen the video, lied anyway. These people have no morals or ethics.
Fairfax County, VA is dropping 400 convictions after one of their former cops is accused of stealing drugs from the police property room, planting drugs on innocent people and stopping motorists without legal basis.
Note, Eddie Johnson is black.
“All of this happened in less than a second,” Johnson said. “To think the officer could process it that quickly is not being fair. It’s tragic all the way around. … Tossing a weapon and turning around in a split second doesn’t give your brain time enough to process. Reality isn’t like Hollywood. It’s much different.”
The officer could process there was a gun in less than a second, but couldn’t process that it was tossed?
Fuck Eddie Johnson too.
Another cop who has done far, far more harm than the ‘criminals’ they are supposed to be ‘protecting’ us from.
So here it is.
So, how many times was Oeltjenbruns shot?
One way to measure this is to cross-reference arrest data compiled by the FBI with data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). The NCVS is an annual survey organized by the Bureau of Justice. It asks victims of non-fatal violent crimes a number of questions, one of which being the race of the perpetrator(s). The high number of black people arrested for violent crimes tallies quite closely with the number of crime victims who report that their assailants were black. Here’s BJS report from 2018 which goes into more detail.
Race/Ethnicity of Violent Crime - Offenders & Arrestees, 2018.
The outstanding warrants are - in many cases - for unpaid parking tickets or unpaid moving violations, much like many white people have. A “warrant” can be handed down for things as minor as not paying 20 dollars on a parking ticket. Most warrants are not written for major crimes and let go because if that were the case, the cops would be doing a hunt for the criminal with an outstanding warrant for felonies, etc.
The big difference is how police handle a white person with a minor warrant and a black person with a minor warrant. This goes back to training. Cop thinking: If you look like me (white) then I’m probably going to treat you with a bit of deference. If you don’t look like me (black) then I’m probably going to be suspicious and treat you with zero respect. We have thousands of examples of this already on the books.
Plus the warrant gives police extra powers and more impetus to rack up points back at headquarters for a “good arrest”. Police thinking runs counter to logic. Pull someone over, look up their info, find a warrant, escalate the situation, cuff the perp, find more evidence of wrong-doing, escalate the situation = good arrest = win more points. This is how they are trained. It’s no wonder we have a Police Problem. I have three relatives that are cops, I know this stuff for a fact, it’s not me sitting here surmising stuff. They do this actively on a daily basis.
Here’s the way I look at it; I think it’s fair to say that the driving force behind the wave of anti-police-brutality protests last year was the notion that what happened to George Floyd and Breonna Taylor was only allowed to happen because they were black, and that if they’d been white, they would’ve lived. However, the cases of Tony Timpa and Duncan Lemp prove this isn’t so. Unarmed straight, white, cisgender males get suffocated and shot dead in their sleep, too. The problem is that not many people seem to know that.
I would bet literally everything I own that, for every hundred people who’ve heard of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, maybe only three or four have heard of Tony Timpa and Duncan Lemp. Even that may be an overestimate. My contention is simply that because cases of police brutality against black people get so many orders of magnitude more publicity than identical cases of police brutality against white people (or Asian and Hispanic people, for that matter), it becomes almost impossible for people to properly contextualize the phenomenon of police brutality as a whole.
You’re certainly correct to say that when a black person (or a person of any minority, for that matter) is mistreated by a white cop, it’s sensible to ask ourselves if racism played a role. However, if, when we take a step back to look at the big picture, we see that similar brutalities are being visited on black and white citizens alike, doesn’t it make more sense to conclude that the cops don’t have a racial brutality problem but instead simply have a brutality problem?
No. Being a person of color – according to statistics – makes it far more likely that you’ll be shot dead by a police officer in an encounter, even when you’re unarmed.
That’s very different from saying it never happens to white dudes.
You more or less picked the 95 year-old who has smoked 140 pack-years of cigarettes and are claiming that smoking doesn’t cause any medical harm.
The statistics also belie the egregious nature of some of the cases that we’ve all seen where the POC ends up dead and the white dude, whose behavior is dramatically worse, more threatening, more aggressive, and more of a danger to the LEOs and the public, gets a cheeseburger and a scalp massage.
You can add 20 year old Dillon Taylor who was unarmed and shot to death while peacefully walking out of a store.
Also 80 year old Eugene Mallory who was shot 6 times in his bed during a drug raid that turned up nothing.
I think the issue is we have two overlapping problems:
- Policing often escalates trivial encounters into lethal episodes.
- Systemic and historical racism brings a disproportionate number of people of color into contact with police.
This. Anecdotal evidence of police atrocities against whites may indicate that there is a race-agnostic problem, but doesn’t mean there isn’t also a race-dependent problem.
You’ve said it in three sentences better than I could in three paragraphs. There are other systemic problems but you’ve articulated the largest factor imo.
This is their training. They demand compliance, even if they have no legal right to demand it. Rather than try to get a warrant (which I don’t know if they could or not), they instead torture a man to turn over his phone to look for evidence.
They have no respect for the “civilians” that they are supposed to be protecting.
It may be difficult to rely on data on police officers that is collected BY police officers.