Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

That is a bit convoluted, and it doesn’t really work that way. What analyses do robustly demonstrate is that living in impoverished conditions significantly contributes to engaging in criminal behavior. After you account for this, racial status no longer contributes any explanation for violent behavior.

However, even after accounting for SES-related factors explaining behavior, there still remains disproportionate minority contact, arrest, and sentencing. In fact, the decision making process at nearly every point (diversion, probation, etc) yields evidence of racial bias.

Let’s remember that Steophan also doesn’t think it’s inherently racist to say “Blacks are subhuman” - he has no fucking leg to stand on when it comes to defining racism.

Steophan … virtually all people, really … would benefit from reading “http://www.amazon.com/One-Understands-You-What-About/dp/1625274122”.

The title is misleading (needing to be something that will appeal to the personal ego).

Cute.

But I can just see some random redneck with a confederate flag t shirt laughing at the Liberal McEnlightened family getting pissed because they can’t get through the “right door”.

I see no good reason why we could not believe that Steophan has frank and candid discussions with his black friends, which promote mutual understanding by clarifying the issues he has in dealing with the less evolved humanoid types. Those few who are capable of such understanding are no doubt impressed by the clarity of his thinking as well as his shrewd and perceptive insights.

Me? Tequila and bongwater, why do you ask?

Officers charged in the death of Gray.

Offered without comment.

Let’s just go ahead and skip the next six months of this circus and get to the part where they’re acquitted because that’s what happens every time a cop is indicted on trumped-up political charges in order to appease the mob.

It’s entirely possible that those cops broke the law. The trial will help us determine whether this is so or not.

:confused: Was it more sensical before the edit? It could hardly have been less.

So you know that Gray’s arrest was justified, but the charging of these police officers is not. Why is that?

As has been seen multiple times in this thread and others, Smapti is utterly incapable of distinguishing fact from his own fecal matter when it comes to anything relating to law enforcement.

Gray’s arrest didn’t occur because of a lawless horde causing destruction and demanding that the government find something to charge him with.

And when it doesn’t, I’m sure everyone crying for the blood of those cops will take a calm step back, acknowledge that the legal process has done its job, and move on with their lives.

You know, exactly like they didn’t with Darren Wilson, Zimmerman, and the cops in the Garner and Rodney King matters.

I don’t trust your future-predicting abilities.

It depends on what actually happens. We’ll see. Sometimes cops do bad things, and sometimes they’re successfully prosecuted.

Well, no, that is exactly what they should not do, if the trial does not help us determine whether the cops broke the law or not.

No, in fact it is not at all clear why Gray was arrested at all. He had a knife which was legal for him to have. But it appears that he hadn’t committed any crime.

Had he been allowed to go about his business, he wouldn’t be dead, and there wouldn’t be a ‘lawless horde’ demanding the government do anything.

How is it not clear? He observed some policemen who were minding their own business and decided to freak out and run away from them. That’s probable cause.

No, that’s intelligence.

Probably cause of what? Aggravated jogging?

It isn’t. US Supreme Court ruled that fleeing in a high crime area at the sight of police is enough to create reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion was enough to detain Gray - that is when they discovered the knife. Up to here everything is legal. But to arrest him they needed probable cause and according to the prosecutor, at least, the knife they arrested him for was legal to carry.