Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

Maybe. But the benefit of that doubt goes to the people who are charged. The state will need to prove that they didn’t have probable cause to arrest, not the other way round, and it looks like they’ll struggle.

Which doesn’t affect what happened after he was arrested, which seems to be the more significant part of the issue, and it looks to me that proving recklessness at least, for at least some of the officers, could well be possible. Anything more, I’m not sure how it could be proved.

No. Let’s just say they found what they found-a pocket knife. If it was a pocket knife with an illegally long blade, they would have said so, so we know it wasn’t. If it was an actual switchblade they would have said so, so we know it wasn’t. It was a pocket knife.

Yes, but so what? If they’re an ‘arm of the blue wall’, then what they think has no bearing on what’s reasonable. If their goal was to exonerate their fellow cops, then their ‘findings’ provide no useful information (e.g. they’d say the knife was illegal no matter what the actual details of the knife’s construction and operation are). If their goal was to find the truth, then maybe it does. I imagine we’ll see.

We’ll see. It probably depends on the knife, and the actual facts about the knife (like pictures and/or an accurate and detailed description) aren’t in the public sphere right now.

With a spring-assisted blade, which is illegal according to Baltimore city code. Or, if you prefer, could be reasonably assumed to be illegal according to Baltimore city code.

Which there is absolutely no evidence for except in your imagination.

If that’s what you’re going for, then there’s “absolutely no evidence” that they’re an objective fact-finding force either.

Well, besides the article already linked on the same page of this thread which describes the workings of the task force in detail and depicts them as working in meticulous detail to find out what exactly happened.

That article is also entirely consistent with the blue wall. It tells us nothing about what actually motivates the task force.

The facts about the knife might tell us something, but we don’t have the facts about the knife at this point.

Yes, of course - evidence that disproves your chosen belief just proves that there’s a massive secret effort to cover up The Truth.

So you’re saying the prosecutor was wrong to declare the knife legal, since we don’t have the facts about it?

Yep, they gave the reporter the five dollar tour…but I bet the stunned looks on their faces when they found out about the separate investigation that involved(horror of horrors!) non-cops, and that their own bros would actually be indicted weren’t part of the scheduled show.

There is no evidence that disproves this, you serial liar. And I haven’t stated any “chosen belief”, liar. Stop lying about what I believe and about what articles say.

Nope – I’m saying that I’m unable to evaluate whether the prosecutor (or the defense) is being truthful and/or accurate at this point.

God you’re wrong a lot.

That doesn’t means she doesn’t have the facts about it.

Well, that’s all settled out then! Now, all that remains is the pesky (albeit minor) issue of his being dead.

I’m willing to accept this analysis and agree that the false imprisonment charges are deficient. So what. The important charge is the murder. Explain how that is reasonable for the arresting officers.

Only one out of the six police officers is charged with murder. And I am pretty sure the prosecutor overcharged that one to get him to plea bargain.

An investigation which was not open to the press, conducted by non-experts, which the prosecutor refuses to share any details about.

Yep. That’s a lot more transparent and trustworthy.

For such a committed agnostic who refuses to express any beliefs or opinions about anything, you sure are pretty darned emotional about what you don’t know about.

Murder? What nonsense! The officers saw that Gray was in severe spinal distress, and applied what emergency chiropractic assistance that they could. It was risky, applying a treatment of slamming his body about inside a police van, but this was an emergency!

And no one in Gray’s family has thanked them!

Did the same think happen to you as an attempt to cure an unfortunate brain injury?