Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

Nope, total freak because that’s what I decided. Non, je ne regrette rien.

I’m a happy guy – even your continual lying doesn’t puncture my happiness. And I express plenty of beliefs and opinions… another lie, I guess.

Well, maybe, but you’re not sure! By the way, seen your cat lately? Has anyone?

What is your belief and opinion about whether the Baltimore six are guilty?

Beats me; it isn’t like you’re any less wounded/dead if the other guy is using a sharp steak knife. My w.a.g. is that once upon a time switchblades were the knife equivalent of the scary black rifle.

I think there was enough evidence to indict them, but not all the evidence has been presented, so I’m not sure if there is enough to convict. And there are multiple charges – some are probably more likely than others.

I’m not ready to conclude that they are guilty or not guilty – and no one (aside from perhaps the prosecutor) should, because there’s not enough evidence released to make any conclusion. That’s what a trial is for, and I think there is sufficient evidence for a trial.

…So, guilty or not guilty?

How many of his neighbors need to be shot down before you’d accept his flight as provoked?

Please, explain to me why an honest, law-abiding citizen ever responds to making eye contact with a policeman by turning and fleeing on foot.

Because he has read recent reports of police officers gunning down innocent citizens.

Seems to me that that would be a reason to not run - these supposed trigger-happy cops are more likely to notice someone who runs than someone who doesn’t, aren’t they?

I mean, unless Mr. Gray was of the belief that he could outrun a bullet.

Would you be willing to testify for the prosecution, Smapti?

Smapti’s plan for more efficient law enforcement? :

Have teams of cops run wildly into arbitrary groups of citizens. Shoot anyone who runs. Bring lots of bullets.

And the evidence offered for the existence of that eye contact is entirely the testimony of an officer involved? Well, that certainly settles that!

Then presumably charge them with vandalism for defacing public property (viz. lots of bullets) with their internal organs.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-ticker-20150425-story.html#page=1

When Freddie Gray briefly locked eyes with police at 8:39 a.m. on a corner of an impoverished West Baltimore neighborhood two weeks ago, they seemed to recognize each other immediately. As three officers approached on bicycles along West North Avenue, the 25-year-old Gray was on the east corner of North Mount Street chatting with a friend, according to Shawn Washington, who frequents the block.

“Ay, yo, here comes Time Out,” a young man on the opposite corner yelled, using a neighborhood term for police.

Gray swore, taking off on foot as the officers began hot-stepping on their pedals to catch up. One officer jumped off his bike to chase Gray on foot, police said.

There were witnesses to him running from the police, you know.

Last Friday, there was a march through parts of downtown Seattle, which was a combination Haymarket-May-Day type thing and a response to recently publicized police violence.

The Seattle Police were there, of course, in the black shirts, along with every television news crew available, providing live coverage almost as if they were hoping for something to happen.

The march was followed by a large phalanx of bicycle officers, and there were officers with large heavy shillelaghs standing guard over Urban Outfitters, Subway and their various other corporate masters.

The march progressed calmishly for well over an hour, blocking Friday evening traffic through some parts of the city. Then there was a ruckus, tear gas, pepper spray, chaos, the TV people got what they wanted.

Ranks of black-shirts in their armor, face shields and long wooden sticks spanned the street, herding the marchers in a circle as three or four officers dogpiled the nasty dude who had attacked the bicycle officer.

At this point, the images seem to show more police than citizens, not because the civilians were scattering as much as just the entire Seattle Police force had showed up for the party. This looked a lot like another militaristic display to remind everyone that Washington really is a Police State.

The mayor and the police chief, of course, praised the actions of the officers who maintained order well and quelled the riot. City Council member Bruce Harrel, however, saw it a little differently,
*… one arrest in particular, which was captured by Air4 overhead, raises all kinds of use-of-force questions for Seattle police. The video shows a police officer riding his bike up to a protester. The officer then leaps off the bike and tackles the man.

“[COLOR=“Black”]Why did that occur? Because that seemed, from the video I’ve seen, to be the first act of violence,” Harrell said… Harrell asked the police department’s top brass if the first arrest actually caused things to get out of control.“It seems like that created the melee.”

Captain Chris Fowler told Harrell the officers tackled and arrested the protester because he attacked an officer moments earlier.

… Police officials say they’re still counting how many of the flash-bangs were used during the riot, but several protesters attended Wednesday’s meeting to show off injuries they say they sustained from the devices.

Others claimed officers attacked them without provocation. “The police started the riots,” one protester said.*[/color]

In reality, it looked a lot like the police themselves had indeed shown up for a party, and, having gone to all the trouble to dress up, they were damn sure going to have one. Which is kind of ironic, as a component of the demonstration involved expressing displeasure at the increasing amount of constabulary excesses. Though, quite frankly, I am not convinced that there has been an increase – there are just so many more cameras around that we are merely learning now about the greater extent of what was already there all along.

I keep wanting to say to those officers, “You’re not helping, you’re the problem.”

Due to a extensive history of illegal arrests, beatings and searches by the likes of the Baltimore PD.

Cite: warning PDF

With the illegal Practices and well documented violence you would be stupid to stick around until they manufacture probable cause if you happen to be a minority and/or poor.

How stupid do you have to be to stick around with the hope that the officer is one of the “good ones”. Who still won’t stand up for you if/when they see another officer violating your rights or causing you harm for little to no reason.

I asked you for some substantiation of an essentially subjective experience, that is, eye contact. You return with a citation that changes nothing at all as if it were some telling point. So, rather than a police officer saying there was eye contact, its the Baltimore Sun saying it. OK, and so what? Was it a reporter with special eye contact training and expertise?

They “seemed to recognize each other immediately…” WTF? According to who? “Seemed”? Are you kidding, here?

Yeah? Did I say that there weren’t? What’s your point?

Bwuh ? What’s the point of using flashbangs in riot control ? All they do is incapacitate you for a handful of seconds. Which is more than enough in hostage or breach-and-clear situations, but won’t get a crowd to disperse.
Seems more of a “fuck you” thing to do, honestly.

I gotta say though, I’m amused by the end of the article you quoted :

Hearing loss you say ? What could *possibly *have caused this ?! :slight_smile: