I don’t remember you espousing this philosophy when we were talking about Treyvon Martin, but I may have missed it. The same goes for Eric Garner, Rice, and a myriad of other cases.
FTR, I thought whathisname asshole that shot Treyvon should have gotten off (even though Treyvon would have been within his rights to shoot him!); I have no comment on the other cases as I haven’t followed them closely enough. But one important thing to remember about these cases is that all the victims were innocent. Do you agree?
You’re an absolute moron, Steophan. A verdict of “not guilty” does not mean “he is innocent”; it just means that the state could not prove it’s case beyond a reasonable doubt. Nothing more, nothing less.
I posted a thread on this board once relating my own experiences with pointless police harassment asking for ID, notice in the video the man is not even driving but all the cop wants is his ID. I started purposely not carrying ID if I was walking to fuck with the cops.
Most posters told me they had never experienced anything like what I related, or questioned why I had a problem with it. How many youtube vids will it take to convince people it is a real problem with police harassment in the US?
Do you know what “innocent until proven guilty” means? It means, if they’re not proven guilty, they are innocent.
You are correct in one sense, in that a not guilty verdict doesn’t make someone innocent, They simply remain innocent, as they were both before and during the trial.
No, I’m one of those people who believe that words have meanings, and that “murder” does not describe a legal, justified killing. The CTs are those who believe it was murder, and that there’s some conspiracy to go around killing black people.
It’s reasonable that some people might disagree with the verdicts/legal conclusions in those cases and believe that the deaths were, in fact, murder (or may have been). And I’m not aware of any of these conspiracy theories on killing black people – rather, there is a long, long history of law enforcement abusing black people (including murdering black people) in America (not due to conspiracies, but due to racism, stereotypes, and the like), and while things are much better now than in the past, peaceful and law-abiding black people are still treated disparately and more at risk of being killed by police.
If you think that the police are agreeing between themselves to mistreat black people, and that judges and prosecutors are agreeing to let them off, that is literally a conspiracy theory. I don’t think anyone believes that there wasn’t a conspiracy to let, for example, the murderers of Emmet Till get away with it.
And I use the word “murderers” there deliberately, to point out one of the rare occasions where guilt has been proven out of court.
Those who killed Till did not sit down in the break room and say, “Hey J.W., let’s go find a random black guy and kill him.” They were motivated by racism, but the conspiracy was an agreement to get the guy who allegedly mistreated a white girl. They saw themselves as vigilantes enforcing a moral code. They probably would have told you that they don’t hate all black people, just rapists and sexual harassers. And the all-white jury acquitted his murderers in just over an hour, saying “If we hadn’t stopped to drink pop, it wouldn’t have taken that long.” The jury was all-white because of racist jury selection procedures–not conspiracy as such. Decades later conservatives now agree that Emmet Till was a victim of racism. But they didn’t all think so at the time. Part of that is that society has advanced, but part of it is that admitting that Till was lynched no longer has any real world consequences or implications for Southern identity. If the exact same events happened today, some posters on this board would argue that this was about overreaction to alleged mistreatment of the girl and not about racism.
But the bigger problem with racist policing is not that kind of thing. It’s the decision to, say, create and enforce drug laws in a way that targets black people, despite roughly equal usage rates. Its the fear that police officers have of black men instead of white men, leading them to shoot them more often or just stop and frisk them more often. It’s the decision to try to enforce drug laws by stopping cars for pretextual reasons if the driver meets a profile that includes race. Its the accumulation of policies, some of which were motivated by racism, some of which were not–and none of which require individual racism on the part of the officer beyond the implicit biases we all have.
I don’t believe that. I believe that most of the mistreatment is due to racism and unfair treatment (including at the institutional levels, that Richard Parker mentions) that the actors are not even aware of.
Are you fucking stupid or just a run of the mill racist asshole?
His hands and legs were cuffed, so in what universe do several officers have to be wholly or on top of him? How the fuck is this proper procedure and necessary force? Jesus Titty Fucking Christ you are one fucking miserable worthless piece of shit.
Odd that the people who’ve seen the actual evidence disagree with you. I’ll ask again, what actual reason do you have for thinking it was malicious or negligent? Not baseless speculation, actual reasoning.
His arms and legs were cuffed. So? Doesn’t mean he wasn’t struggling. Especially as he was on cocaine when he was arrested.
As for racism, I’ve no idea what colour the guy was, and unless you’ve read a story other than the ones cited, neither have you.
So, just a run of the mill asshole. Not even an interesting asshole, just some nugget-crusted ring. I mean look at what he has been doing all over this thread. He makes adaher look like some kind of rocket surgeon.
He’s the long-lost twin brother of the Black Knight, who so bravely guarded the bridge against all who would pass, when Arthur, King of the Britons, travelled the length and breadth of England in search of the Holy Grail.