I don’t think anyone is condoning lynch mobs. Please cite where I (or ANYONE in this thread) supports lynch mobs and death threats. The fact that he is getting death threats doesn’t absolve him of his misdeeds.
And once again it doesn’t matter if he gave a lawful order or not, he is STILL not allowed to use excessive force. He may have an exemplary record but if that video is all we had to go by, then he is unfit to be a cop.
You’re the one accusing the police chief of a conservative town of rushing to throw another cop under the bus because of “media”. That is fucking laughable.
So the cop that shot that black due in the back and then picked up a taser and dropped it next to the body wasn’t misbehaving? How about the cop that saw the first cop move evidence and didn’t do anything about it? Was he misbehaving?
What about the cop that drags a 14 year old girl out of a crowd and throws her on the ground, grabs her by the hair and shoves her face into the ground and then sits on her. Was he misbehaving?
Police misconduct is rare but on a national level it happens several times a day. Do some cops get accused of misconduct when they should be given the benefit of the doubt (like Ferguson), sure. That doesn’t mean you bend over backwards and contort the facts in order to find a world where the cop isn’t misbehaving.
What “bus”? Who is condoning, or mentioning, throwing someone under a bus? That strawman is fucking laughable.
The cop, and the police, and at least one black resident who was at the pool during this fracas, are receiving death threats. I haven’t said that you are condoning the lynch mob-types. So that is fucking laughable, also.
It’s not easy to handcuff someone who doesn’t want to be handcuffed. The law allows police to use sufficient physical force to handcuff someone. If you wish to change the law, talk to your elected representative.
Still working on some kind of “Gotcha” moment, eh? Like you expect someone is suddenly going to break down and say “YES! I WANT DEAD COPS!” or something?
which seems to suggest that you think that Chief of Police has put this officer in a bad light to others, possibly to divert attention away from himself. This is what is commonly referred to as ‘throwing someone under the bus’.
The people who’ve called the police station and threaten to kill a cop, the cop, or cops in general, have already broken thru your “Yes! I Want Dead Cops” thin-bloody-red line.
You made it very clear you thought the Chief was too harsh toward Officer Loudmouth, accepting (and perhaps pressuring him into giving) his resignation, but prior to receiving the facts from investigators and at least partially in response to pressure from the “LSM”.
In short, you’re accusing the Chief of a rush to judgement at the expense of a scapegoated individual over whom he had power. That couldn’t be a more apt definition of “throwing [Off. Loudmouth] under the bus” if the phrase itself snuck up behind you, tattooed itself onto your eyelids and typed itself into your next SDMB post.
And you blame the people on this board for this? Or ALL people who want the police to be held accountable for their crimes?
Ten thousand cops misbehaving is perfectly ok, but an occasional nutbag with a personal vendetta is proof that your critics are all monsters and should be dismissed out of hand? Are you even dimly self-aware enough to know how fucking stupid that is? Or are you just hanging on to your ideological pride at the cost of reason?
In short, you’d still be wrong. I assume that the Chief did what he thought was best, at the time. I question whether he had seen all of the evidence and read all of the reports of the incident before he spoke to the media.
I’ll leave it to you to pass judgment on the evidence that hasn’t yet been presented.
Hahahaha. Did I blame you? Did I blame ALL people? People are making death threats and you feel personally responsible? OK, you know yourself better than I would ever want to.
A couple of points in the McKinney story might be worth considering (WaPo 6/10 story), A lawyer representing Dajerria Becton, the bikini-clad teenager who Casebolt is shown forcing to the ground, said Wednesday that her client’s civil rights were violated and that Becton hasn’t left her house much since the incident and ensuing media attention. “She’s having a hard time sleeping and a hard time eating,” attorney Hannah Stroud told reporters Wednesday.
So, yeah, the officer is not the only one having a hard time of it.
*Casebolt had earlier responded to a call of an African American man who had committed suicide in front of his family, (his attorney Jane) Bishkin said. Then he helped calm a teenage girl threatening to commit suicide by jumping from her parents’ roof, the lawyer added.
“The nature of these two suicide calls took an emotional toll on Eric Casebolt,” Bishkin said. “They serve as a reminder that while police work is often dangerous, it is fraught with emotions and family tragedy.”*
I can sympathize with that – so much so that I wonder why his day had not ended with one of those incidents. The emotional state of the constabulary really ought to be something we should be concerned about. If an officer has to deal with traumatizing events, their day should be over at that point, just as an officer who fires his weapon gets to pilot a desk thereafter. If mini-PTSD can be a cause of misbehavior, it stands to reason that it ought to be cause for a break. In this respect, the practices of the department itself are as much at fault, and the chief is due to revisit them right away.
Yeah, when I do that, people complain about walls of text. Would a 15 inch single post really be preferable to 8 2 inch posts?
I try to use multiquote when I am replying to several posts by the same poster or several posters that are making the same point, otherwise I reply to posts individually. it keeps things better organized.
What straw man? I am asking if you think this police chief threw this cop under the bus for some reason. If not, then I am not sure what point you are making, unless you think that this police chief has some sort of antipathy towards cops that would make him push this guy out even though he didn’t deserve to be pushed out.
Then you were just engaging in inserting non-sequitors? We were talking about how its was a good thing he got fired and you said “The video shows that no one was injured, no one was shot, and no one was killed. I don’t see any mitigating factors that warrants the lynch mob-types threatening the life of the officer, or his family. YMMV.”
When you say YMMV, you are implying that perhaps unlike the rest of us, you are firmly opposed to death threats. What was the point of bringing them up?
If you were just trying to gain some sympathy for this guy then just say so. But that has no bearing on whether or not he deserves to be fired.
So what makes you think that he only used sufficient force and not excessive force?You think that the force you see applied was OK, most of the rest of the country thinks it was excessive. Excessive force is an issue for the finder of facts (the jury). This guy deserves to be out on his ass looking for a job as a mall ninja.
No he’s right. I was referring to that post among others. You are CLEARLY accusing the police chief of doing something. Your accusation implies that he is either the only police chief of a conservative texas town that is in the grips of the liberal media or he is succumbing to media pressure and throwing him under the bus.