Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

No, but they get charged.

And I disapprove of cynical retreat. You don’t just give up on things like this. You keep hacking away. From different angles as appropriate. Reforms during the 1970s lowered police corruption. Now we need to think about special prosecutors.

Remember the guy who was shot and killed by police officers after someone called in a false report that he was brandishing a rifle in a Walmart?

Listen to the detective interrogate his grief-stricken girlfriend right after the shooting.

Off-duty black police officer roughed up and arrested

The charges against him were thrown out of court.
Video:

The Supreme Court has ruled that cops don’t have to worry about that probable cause nonsense any more, they can just claim they didn’t know any better.

To be fair, it wasn’t a false report. He was holding/brandishing the rifle in Walmart. The problem stemmed from the fact that nobody but the victim realized the gun was a toy off the store shelf until it was too late.

The treatment of his girlfriend was terrible. Being hounded by a cop who didn’t have all the information from the scene must have sucked donkeys.

He wasn’t “brandishing” it…out you watch the surveillance video, he’s absent mindedly carrying it around while he talks on the phone. The asshole who called it in lied.

holy fuck Orwell was right

I don’t think I want to live in this country much longer.

FFS how will anyone ever prove that their rights were violated now?

All the officer has to do is say “I thought I could do that” and he’s off the hook.

“Sir, I pulled you over for having an orange colored vehicle, which is illegal in Tennessee. May I search your car? No, you can’t sue me, you see I was mistaken about that law…hey, is that a marijuana seed I see on the floorboard?”

Sorry, but you are all kinds of wrong. The guy has admitted to flat-out lyingd. The video recording proves he as lying.

And two fucking people died because of this fucking asshole.

I never knew about the ‘pointing the gun at people’ thing until just now. I had seen a video of the guy holding the gun.

Here we have a Texas police officer killing a mentally ill person holding a spoon:

Fucking lies, lies and more lies. The detective claimed he was just going on the information he had at the time. Every cop in that department knew within five minutes of the shooting that the gun was a pellet rifle. That exercise in cruelty was pure ass-covering, and the shooting was an execution. Just like that kid in Cleveland. PolicedropyourgunBLAM. Motherfuckers.

You cop haters make me sick. For all we knew he was an al-Qaeda agent trained to act mentally ill. And are you telling us you wouldn’t have shot someone who aimed a spoon at you? It could have been a Hi-Tek Laser Death Ray Disguised to Look Like Spoon™ that he bought on Ebay.

Anyway, If you’d even bothered to Google your own link you’d learn that Dennis Grigsby wasn’t even a real American; he’s one of those ethnic things.

Sheeeesh.

You left out the part about how he had broken into a neighbor’s house and charged the officer in a dark room when the officer arrived.

I think one of the major differences in these discussions is assumptions of how many cops are actually bad apples. Everyone knows that at least some cops are bad, but I get the impression that the knee-jerk cop defenders on this board assume that this number is very, very low (maybe less than 1%) while the critics believe it’s much higher.

A retired-police acquaintance of mine explained it thusly: about 20% of cops want to be Supercop (meaning they want to be awesome superhero police officers who get all the bad guys and save lots of lives); about 20% are bullies who want to dominate others; and about 60% are regular folks who just want to get by, do their job, and retire. Obviously, it’s that second 20% that’s the main problem, though in my view the rest might be unwittingly complicit in bad behavior if police training and culture in some departments make it more difficult to actually treat people equally on the street.

“Charged”? You can’t leave out what was never in the story, Smapti. The term used in the story was “aggressively advanced” which could mean anything in a police report from “took a step towards” to “charged like a raging water buffalo”.
“Dark room”? No-the term used was “dimly lit”, as most garages are, probably with a single overhead light. Remember, this report was creatively written by an officer that claims that a spoon held in a hand could be mistaken for a deadly knife. Now, either the “suspect” was holding the handle end of the spoon and the cop is an idiot when it comes to identifying knives, or for some strange reason the “suspect” was holding the other end in his hand, which would leave four to five inches of flat stem sticking out.

Cripes, you’re an idiot.

Regards,
Shodan

For thinking that a cop who had just shot a guy holding a spoon might try to write his report in a way that covers his ass as much as possible??