I can’t help but notice you deliberately left out the third and correct option - they had no cause to be afraid.
I’m sorry; are you applying for the position?
They had no cause to be afraid? Did you notice they were ever so slightly killed by the people you claim they had no cause to be afraid of?
The former was killed in self-defense after she shot first. The latter was not killed by anyone - he died of a heart attack that probably could have been avoided if he hadn’t tried to barricade himself in a room, resist being handcuffed, and act like someone who the police would consider dangerous. They both died because they acted irrationally and out of fear.
A no-knock raid would certainly be a startling experience, especially if you’re not even the right target, but lashing out like a cornered animal is only going to make things worse for you. Just comply and think about the money you’ll make when you sue the department for false arrest.
No. I am a law abiding guy. If someone kicks in my door I am going to defend myself on the assumption my home is being invaded. I’ll go down fighting, that’s why I have a shotgun under the bed.
Smapti, can you please answer? I am not going to challenge you on it (though others probably will), I just really want to know why you believe Tamir Rice was a criminal.
While you’re at it, Smapti, kindly explain how Tamir’s supposed subtle furtive movement is justification for the cop to be scared and shoot him, while my door being kicked in is something I should grin and accept calmly.
Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What’s that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
Iowa man takes Smapti’s and Steophbot’s advice, thinking cops are here to protect and to serve. Cops shoot his son dead.
(Nod to the bots: The son disobeyed police orders.)
As apologists go, you really are a particularly vile one.
With regards to Ms Johnston. These people fabricated a cause for a warrant. Having killed the woman, they then planted evidence on her. And you think she had nothing to be afraid of. You think she was in the wrong, firing a shot at people who broke into her house for no reason. You think she was irrational.
The only thing she did wrong was miss. I hope they’ve suffered every form of hell in jail.
Not all of them but the ones that are as you describe are protected their fellow officers and kneejerk law&order guys like you.
I think active hatred is very rare. I think subconscious prejudice is much more common. Many cops interact with young black and Hispanic youths very differently than they interact with white and Asian youths. google is my cite.
This is never the case. They have guns and you don’t.
But when a cop throws a 12 year old in a bikini to the ground and then sits on her or shoots a guy that is running away from him (and then plants a weapon on him), it should raise some questions about THOSE PARTICULAR OFFICERS. Sometimes your defense is justified (e.g. the cop in ferguson became a scapegoat for deeper problems between the cops and the community they are supposed to be serving).
I don’t recall when anyone said this.
I thought the notion was that you should not pull over for ANYONE on a lonely secluded road in the middle of the night. You should keep driving while calling 911 to see if the car that is trying to pull you over is a real cop or you should drive to a well lit area where there are a lot of people.
There is a lot of real estate between punishing bad cops for doing bad things and the breakdown of law & order.
I seem to recall some white dude getting away with shooting a cop during a no knock raid without getting shot killed or even sent to trial.
You claim to be a law abiding guy, and also say you’d shoot cops executing a warrant on your property? That’s rather a contradiction…
What could cause more legitimate fear for one’s life then a group of armed men breaking down your door, guns drawn?
Nonsense. People are saying that you have a right not to stop for the police until it’s convenient for you, to refuse to move out of their way so they can do their job, and to refuse to identify yourself or answer their questions.
In some, but not all, of those cases the rights do exist - but in most cases exercising those rights will make things worse for everyone - you, the cops, and the society that depends on people working with and supporting the police.
Constantly? No. Regularly, and also in exceptional cases yes. Fortunately you’re in a democracy, so politicians (who control the police) are regularly judged based on their performance, and have to satisfy you to keep their job.
If you think the British police will cycle up to someone waving a gun around in a public park and give them a cup of tea and a chat, you’re rather mistaken.
FYI to thread followers: charges were dropped in the SVSU student DaJuawn Wallace case.
Not surprised.
That’s not what’s happening, though, to a large extent. Shooting someone in self defence, which is what most of these cases are about, has nothing to do with their job, it has to do with their rights as people under the law.
I’m so happy to hear this!
Only seems that way if you replace “unknown and unannounced intruders” with the phrase “cops executing a warrant.” Which presumes foreknowledge of the warrant from a guy without an actual warrant against him.
Idiot.
Pretty much anything, if those men are cops. Because, unlike with criminals breaking in, all you have to do is follow their instructions and you’ll be fine. And in the rare event that they’ve got the wrong house, enjoy your massive payout.
Or threaten the cops with a gun, and shoot at them. See how well you do in that situation.