Somewhere between American police practices and cycling up with tea for gunmen lies British police practices, in which British police manage to kill 14,000 times fewer people per capita than US police (while only having 60 times fewer gun murders).
How are the British police managing to kill so, so many fewer people, even when the vastly different gun-murder rate is taken into account?
No, it presumes the ability to notice the uniformed cops.
But yeah, keep defending people who want to shoot cops doing their job. It looks really good… And you call me an idiot :smack:
From Steophan and Smapti’s point of view: The horror!!!
Except that it’s not always possible to determine whether they’re cops or not, especially at night, in the split-second time that the “reasonable fear of death” comes.
Since that’s what’s important, right? Whether someone can have a “reasonable fear of death” in order to exert their right to self-defense and use deadly force?
Are you seriously arguing that unknown armed men breaking down your door can’t cause reasonable fear of death?
We were discussing no-knocks which apparently are often executed incorrectly. How does one differentiate legal home invasion from illegal home invasion in a meaningful time frame?
Either cops are unquestionably infallable or society falls into anarchy. Everything flows from that position.
It does have to with the fact that these guys put themselves into rotten positions while doing their job–e.g. the Tamir Rice incident–and then are not held sufficiently accountable for the intentional homicide which results from the cops’ poor choices of action.
One wonders if the S twins understand how no-knock warrants are actually executed, or if they just don’t have enough social intelligence -or maybe enough mental acuity- to imagine a situation where they might be confused as to the identities of loud, violent and sudden intruders? Which would seem odd, as they are both completely empathetic with the Ohio cop who was fearful of a split second hand move made by a 12 year old he’d just [allegedly] screamed an order at.
And no matter how many times it is pointed out that there is a vast gulf between those two positions, they keep presenting it as fact.
Pointing a gun at random passersby is illegal in Cleveland, Ohio.
FYI - The Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner’s Office autopsy notes that the 12 yr old Tamir Rice was 5 feet 7 inches (1.70 m) and weighed 195 pounds (88 kg).
The video shows Rice walking around the rec center, extending his right arm with what could/might/maybe a gun in his hand. (The 9-1-1 caller believed it was a gun, and a gun was found in Rice’s possession.)
Someone had notified 9-1-1 that a black male was pointing a pistol at random people at the Cudell Recreation Center.
Police dispatch told officers there was a male black at the Cudell Rec Center who was seen pointing a gun at people in a city park.
That makes Rice a suspect.
Fascinating. That wasn’t the question though. Do you understand the actual question? Need me to explain?
Do they have a law which applies to what Tamir Rice was doing?
You appear to think that “suspect” and “criminal” are the same thing, which would explain a lot.
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Yes, I need you to explain your position.
Happy Fun Ball asked why Rice was a criminal. I responded that Rice was a suspect. In the interest of good communication, which word(s) didn’t you understand?
What do you believe Rice was doing which caused the eyewitness to call 9-1-1?
“suspect” == “criminal” ? What grade are you in, doorhinge ? What’s your IQ?
In the interest of good communication, Smapti labelled Tamir Rice a criminal.
So the question was put to Smapti, “What crime makes Tamir Rice a criminal?”
If you do not feel that Tamir Rice was a criminal, you may not be the right person to answer the question.
Since you were answering the question about what makes Tamir Rice a criminal, it seems reasonable to ask you what crime he committed.
Afaict, Tamir Rice was playing in the park by the rec center.
I don’t think that is a crime.
But, I may be wrong.
Did doorhinge say that Tamir Rice was a criminal?
Not sure why doorhinge felt the need to answer the question.
Lets try again.
A flow chart of questions for Smapti and Stephan.
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1b) if no go to question 2 ->
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2) Given that cops are human just like the rest of us, isn’t it possible that out of over one million cops nation wide there are some some individual cops might act with poor judgement, or in a bullying fashion, or be racists etc.?
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2a) if no why not?
2b) if yes go to question 3 ->
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3) Is it likely that there might be an overlap between those few cops specified in question 2, and those cops called out by the media as being bad cops, and so ending up in this thread?**
3a) If no then why is the media catching all of these good cops and making them look bad and yet missing all of the bad cops.
3b) If yes, than why can’t you acknowledge in this thread that some of the cops listed did a bad job?
Note I’m not asking if cops are worse than average person or even what if anything should be done about it, those topics are open to debate. I am asking you simply to accept reality. Out of over a million cops in the US some have not acted with good judgement, and these have made the news. Its like having a discussion about what should be done about the connection, if any, between Islam and terrorism, and having one side say that there have never been any Islamic terrorists.