Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

Cops are civilans, asshat.

Obviously, the point is that they didn’t feel like they needed any. If they did they could have not intervened, and had obviously no duty to do so.

When you’re down to American exceptionalism, it’s time to rethink your position, son.

Presumably this guy could have persuaded some of the others had he realized then what he does now.

Who’s saying that? I’m just saying that local prosecutors are incapable of handling police killing cases.

You know, there’s gotta be a place where the police have the freedom to act as you seem to wish. Where the police are always right and may kill anyone at any time with impunity. Somewhere with a Dear Leader, perhaps.

We’re gonna have to change the thread title, then.

Says the person arguing for politically-motivated show trials of people exercising their human rights.

I, on the other hand, have never argued that “the police are always right and may kill anyone at any time with impunity”, and if you were capable of being honest enough with yourself to realize the problems with your worldview then you’d know that.

Filling someone’s face full of bullets for damaging a car is a human right?

Self-defense is a human right. I know you don’t consider police to be the same as humans, but they are.

It seems to me that if a cop is too slow to evade a crawling car, it might be time for him to retire. There were non-lethal alternatives, the cop just chose to kill.

And a person who is in danger of life or limb is not obligated to take any of them, whether or not they wear a uniform.

When there is no credible threat to one’s life, one has an obligation not to kill. I think there might be a commandment about that.

You have not demonstrated how the cops were in danger of life or limb.

And when there is one, as existed in this scenario, no such obligation exists.

I do not acknowledge the Bible as an authoritative source of morality.

They were pursuing a person who was weaving erratically around the road, acting with complete disregard for human life, and rammed their vehicles several times even after being forced to a near-stop.

No reasonable person would not be in fear for their lives in such a scenario. I daresay you have never found yourself in a situation where you believed yourself to be in mortal danger from another human being, or you wouldn’t be asserting the right to tell others when they are and aren’t allowed to be afraid.

But they don’t have the right to be in fear in perpetuity. The car was essentially disabled and locked in. At the most she was in danger of scuffing the police vehicles. Because there were legitimate concerns during the chase does not mean that murder after the chase is justified.

Or crushing the legs and abdomen of anyone trying to approach. Or causing concussions to anyone inside the vehicle.

It’s a good thing no murder took place, then.

Which has no bearing on the threat that existed at the time the fatal shots were fired. Cops cannot claim mortal threat during a chase, then execute the suspect some time later when her car is immobilized between two cruisers and a tree. No threat to life or limb existed at the time of the shooting; they don’t get to save up their fear for convenient use at a later time.

Didn’t anyone – except apparently that highway patrol officer – think to approach this fear-inducing vehicle from the side? You know, from the direction(s) that the wheels are incapable of pointing and thus a place that this driver, however potentially homicidal, cannot possibly project any threat? Nah, just stand in front where we’ve got a clear shot through the windshield! All my police training suggests that’s the best course of action.

No mention yet of Sandra Bland?

Were any of the police still in their vehicles? I’m pretty sure the shooters weren’t.

And the car was pinned - all she could do was go back and forward. So approaching a door is not going to get your legs crushed.

And you still haven’t addressed the crazily foolhardy state trooper who was planning on opening the car door when the two locals opened fire.

Suicide. Clearly identified as such by the medical examiner, and the jail’s cameras show that nobody entered her cell between when she was last seen alive and when she was found dead.

Unless you assert that she was killed by the Invisible Man or that the police have a network of secret jail tunnels for the purpose of faking suicides, there’s nothing to mention.

The camera was off for a couple of hours, and both the county and the F.B.I. are investigating it as a possible murder.
Or did you miss that part of the story, you shit-faced baboon?