To quote the Wikipedia article, “Defining propaganda has always been a problem”. The article puts forth two definitions…
Garth Jowett and Victoria O’Donnell have provided a concise, workable definition of the term: “Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist.”
More comprehensive is the description by Richard Alan Nelson: “Propaganda is neutrally defined as a systematic form of purposeful persuasion that attempts to influence the emotions, attitudes, opinions, and actions of specified target audiences for ideological, political or commercial purposes through the controlled transmission of one-sided messages (which may or may not be factual) via mass and direct media channels. A propaganda organization employs propagandists who engage in propagandism—the applied creation and distribution of such forms of persuasion.”
Note that both definitions include “systematic”. I don’t see how one video broadcast on one fox affiliate (VERY different from being broadcast on Fox News itself) can possibly qualify.
Honestly, I think you’re responding to something that isn’t there at all, which is the use of that video as a cudgel to try to win the argument for the pro-police side. I can certainly imagine that happening, and if it does, it would almost certainly be both dishonest and propaganda, but as it stands you’re responding to something that just isn’t there.
I have no interest whatsoever in endlessly debating whether or not the video was propaganda or not, especially the validity of the word ‘systematic’ and whether it applies in this case or not.
Sorry. Life’s too short.
In other words; I think it’s propaganda, you don’t. Whatever. Everyone can watch it and/or read the article if they so choose, and decide for themselves.
I searched “Iowa” in this thread and it came back negative - so SIAP.
White University of Iowa student get busted. Cop thought, however, that he was Hispanic. Cops lies shown by their own dash cam.
No “near miss”;
Gets abused even though his hands are on his head and he repeated screamed so:
Here’s his Q&A from the comment section of the video. (I hope this extensive quote does not violate any rule here. It’s not from a published source.)
Q: Did you edit the video in any way?
A: No. The video is presented exactly as it was given to me. Absolutely nothing is cut from the beginning of the video and it only ends when I am in handcuffs.
Q: It’s not obvious that you didn’t nearly get hit by the car in the video since the part isn’t visible on the screen. Are you sure you didn’t get hit by a car?
A: We’ve got the interior camera from the police car which faces to the rear. I was absolutely not almost hit by a car. Here’s a link to that: - YouTube…
Q: Why didn’t you put your hands on your back as the police officer told you to?
A: The original police officer did not tell me to do that. In fact, I had yelled that my hands were on my head with absolutely no objection from Officer Hall over 25 times. It was only after four police officers were on top of me that a completely different officer shouted for me to put my hands on my back. By that time I was physically hurt, had four police on my back, and was terrified.
Q: Why did you put your hands on your head in the first place?
A: I thought it was the least threatening position you can get in. You can’t hurt anyone while you’re laying down with your hands on your head. It’s simply not possible.
Q: Why do you end the movie there?
A: Because the footage they gave me goes on for another 40 minutes. I had to end it somewhere and ending it at the time I was put in handcuffs seemed like the logical choice.
Q: Why does the police officer have to yell at you to get on your stomach in the beginning?
A: That’s the position the officer body threw me on the ground into.
Q: You’re a liar! You were really just shouting that whole time while you were actually resisting. Your hands weren’t really on your head the whole time, were they?
A: There is video from the other police officer’s dashcam’s as well that shows me laying on the ground. In addition, the police readily acknowledge that my hands were on my head. No one is disputing that claim. There’s another video under my account where Officer Hall acknowledges that my hands were on my head. You can find that here: - YouTube…
Q: Why didn’t you just comply with the officer’s questions? Why did you ask if you were free to go?
A: I was well within my rights to ask that question. If you ask any lawyer, that is the absolute best thing I could have said. Every single lawyer will tell you to ask the exact same thing if you ever have to talk to a police officer.
Q: You seem to know a lot about the law. Do you have a criminal record?
A: I’ve got a speeding ticket from over six years ago. That’s it. I just live with a law student.
I searched, not sure if this case has been discussed here. I didn’t know about it until I read it on NPR. James Boyd was a mentally ill homeless man who was illegally camping last March. He was shot and killed by police after being hit with a flashbang grenade and not subsequently dropping the pocket knives he was holding. The altercation was caught on one of the officer’s helmet cams. They’ve just been charged with murder.
…I saw that video a while ago, and my mouth just dropped in disbelief. I see no compelling reason why the police had to open fire here. I’m glad it is going to trial, but now the police are going after the DA.
Maybe the real problem is that the current group of US cops lacks toughness. In this video, a Russian cop disarms a guy trying to hit him with a shovel. I suspect way too many American cops would have simply shot the guy in orange.
Some of the comments say it was staged. I have no idea. Maybe it was.
It’s only reasonable because of the gun laws in the US. There are arguments for those gun laws, and I think some of them are valid, and also I recognise that “they’re taking away our guns” is basically a flashpoint for “the govt is going to take away ALL our rights,” for some people.
But police in the UK wouldn’t be justified in assuming someone has a gun because the odds are they won’t. You can legally own some types of shotgun and rifle, so there have been killings involving those weapons, but they’re not the sort of thing you can hide in your jacket and then pull out.
So the police assuming someone has a gun is a necessary outcome of allowing nearly anyone to own a gun, so much so that even if you weren’t allowed to own a gun it’d be pretty easy to take one from someone who was.
I like how they kept saying “stop resisting arrest” as if saying that would make it all OK for the dashcam, like an older brother saying “stop hitting yourself.”
The video thing also makes me think that “why would someone be holding out a mobile phone?”, as brought up by someone else in this thread, has an obvious answer.
FWIW I watched the student’s presentation of the police cam and thought the officer came off much better than the student. Based on the video I would have guessed that the guy was intoxicated and maybe mentally deficient. The cop seemed polite until he grew exasperated, he didn’t seem bullying. If the student was as oblivious as his taped responses make him seem, i can totally believe a Campus Cop was worried about his safety.
The student walked away from the cop and the cop car, ignoring the cop telling him to stop many times. Then the student was talking like he was taking stimulants, talking compulsively, asking if he was free to go before the cop could establish anything like a dialog.
I haven’t read anything else about the incident, or what injuries were sustained, but the student seemed pretty well separated from normal reality.
I think it had to do with the fact that 1) the guy had a gun in his car, 2) he did not follow instructions, and 3) he was personally known to the cops to be a career criminal. Not a good combination if you’re hoping for restraint by the cops.
When the police tell you not to move you don’t move.
What do you think the cop thinks when they have a gun pointed at you and they tell you not to move and then you get out of the car, “Oh this nice man must be getting out to do some yoga and not to hurt me even though I know they have one gun that I already took away so there is no way in the world they might have another, no, he’s getting out to stretch and do some yoga.”?
