Yep:
**Smpati **might say the reason crime is down is because cops are killing “criminals”
And no matter how innocent the cop, there will always be some people who will scream racism.
Regards,
Shodan
Well that is the most troubling aspect of the whole situation isn’t it. We have a populace that implicitly condones extrajudicial murder and rape. One reason why prison rape jokes are not a good idea. It dehumanizes unnecessarily a huge population and it sends the message that cruelty and abuse of power is ok.
I’m usually on the victim’s side in these types of cases but having seen the video I’m unsure about this one - is it mentioned anywhere why he approached those officers with a knife in his hand? Personally, I would be scared for my life but then again thank god I’m not a police officer.
On the other hand shooting him 16 times has no justification at all. Shooting at someone who already fell to the ground is pretty much murder.
So in your opinion he was coming closer to the officers, not walking away from them? The officers were stationary and he was approaching them, in your view?
That’s true. But this guy doesn’t seem to be the poster boy for innocent cop.
Chicago police officer charged in deadly shooting has a history of misconduct complaints
They definitely dilute their message when they protest deaths like the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri. It undercuts their credibility. Fortunately for them, the other side’s kneejerk reaction is to defend people who turn out to be bad cops that murder black men that are running away and then plant weapons on them. Or defend cops that tackle 12 year old girls to the ground because she doesn’t “RESPEKT MY AUTHORITEH”
Ferguson had significant problems with racism in the police department but Michael Brown was just a really bad example of that racism.
The BLM has got to stop Tawana Brawleying itself.
Indeed, the BLM Central Committee should take steps.
I suppose that may be the case, but here on the SDMB we seem to mostly discuss the legitimately controversial cases, not every single police shooting.
This guy was a thug. He was high on PCP and breaking into cars to steal radios. When the cops showed up, he slashed a tire and then walked down the street with an open knife. The punishment for that isn’t death, so he didn’t deserve to be shot. But he certainly bears a lot of responsibility for his own death.
What’s interesting to me is the similarity between this and the Cleveland shooting. In both cases, the cops put themselves close to the suspect with nothing in between to protect them. So they both legitimately thought they were in very dangerous situations. In both cases, if they were attacked they would only have a split second to protect themselves. If I had a gun and an agitated guy had a knife 20 feet away from me, I’d shoot him at the first hint of a move towards me.
Undoubtedly the cop screwed up and shouldn’t be a cop any more. But I am uncomfortable with sending someone into a dangerous situation and then throwing them in jail if they make a mistake.
Maybe the first shot was a mistake, if I am willing to bend over backwards until I can bite my own shoes. But the other 15?
Was he still in danger when the “thug” was on the ground and the cop reloaded and shot him some more?
Usually when people start shooting they don’t stop until the clip is empty. I suspect if I was in the same situation I’d do the same.
I don’t believe he shot after he reloaded.
Cute. Let’s look at the facts. The man was armed. He had used his weapon with malicious intent, he was attempting to flee, and he ignored multiple instructions to stop or they’d shoot. This was a justified shooting and the only reasons anyone is calling it “murder” (besides the general knee-jerk opposition to police and the law) is because they’re responding histrionically and illogically to a video recording of it and can’t handle the idea that something that looks ugly isn’t therefore necessarily wrong, and the only reason he’s being prosecuted is because a politician wants to appease the mob (a mob which several of you are claiming would be fully justified in a violent uprising against the government).
Furthermore, I call bull on the “the cops deleted the Burger King’s video” claim. I’ve worked in fast food. Fast food digital surveillance systems don’t work that way.
They do? Well, shit, I didn’t know that! Is that part of their training, then? Because of all the times someone gets shot ten times and then leaps upon the officer?
Someone can survive being shot nine times and the tenth one be the killing blow, but if they die after the first shot, it’s not like the nine after that are going to double-kill them or something.
So 86 minutes of video isn’t missing? That’s good! That should clear things up when they release that!
Please explain the last paragraph. I know nothing about this type of surveillance. Why would/would not be accessible to a third party?
Ever notice that the only time you resort to sarcasm is when you have no more legitimate arguments?
For one, there’s no way the company would just allow the cops to sit in the manager’s office unsupervised and play with the DVR. Every time we needed to provide video footage to the police, we’d either play it back ourselves while the officer watched, or we’d burn them a DVD of the period in question.
Secondly, in the chain I worked for, the video wasn’t just stored onsite - it was all uploaded to a server elsewhere. Even if there had been a delete function available onsite (and I don’t recall our system even having one), there still would have been a remote copy.
I suspect that the district manager either tampered with the video himself or is lying about its having been deleted because of something it contains that’s potentially damaging to Burger King.