She did wait for backup to arrive, albeit not while cowering inside her locked vehicle.
I believe he was suspected of being under the influence of drugs.
It isn’t. But refusing to obey a police officer’s lawful commands is.
Oh, so now your claim is that he had a movement disorder? And this subsequently caused him to twitch and get shot?
He slowly and deliberately and with his hands up calmly walked up to his car in direct contravention of several police officers yelling at him to stop, slowly and deliberately turned to face the driver’s side door, and then suddenly ‘twitched’ in such a way as to make it appear he was trying to open the door, and it was this twitch that got him shot?
In that case, yeah, I’d say the cops are putting people on notice that if you behave in an incoherent way, approach them in a threatening way (as he did prior to the arrival of backup), defy their orders, and then ‘twitch’ in such a way as to suggest you’re going for a weapon, then yeah, you might indeed find triggers being pulled.
Fortunately I don’t imagine such a scenario ever happening outside your fevered imagination. You’re an intelligent and well-educated person and I often find you posts to enjoyable, informative and insightful, but I’m afraid you’ve really let your emotions get the better of you in this case.
I’m going to assume you’ve missed the many times it’s been spelled out already. He was shot because he insisted on approaching his car despite having been warned not to, and once there dropping his hands and reaching for the handle of the door, which made it appear he was going for a weapon.
This is what I wonder. Why on earth would someone do this? Oh, I know, PCP. You can’t understand the mind of someone on PCP, right? So it’s no surprise that he behaved in brain-less ways that ensured his death. Convenient. I’m assuming toxicology has not been released yet?
When people are shot by the police while in the commission of a crime or when their behavior makes it appear they are a treat, their death is not a ‘penalty’, it’s the result of self-defense on the part of the officer involved.
And I would say it was justifiable based on the way cops appear to have been trained over the last few decades. I don’t agree with it and have felt for a long time that cops are way too quick to shoot these days, but I have a hard time faulting cops for reacting in the way they’re trained to react.
Police departments need to stop training their officers to shoot at the threat of a threat and fire instead only when a genuine threat has presented itself.
Part of the problem appears to be a society in which a fair number of people view the police as antagonistic. The police are not currently doing anything significant to soften this part of their image, so it starts to look more and more like some sort of gang war between the blue gang and the non-white gang, with the rest of us being caught in crossfire.
In other words, the police themselves, as a group, are creating a large fraction the violence problem that they are fighting against. Job security.
(bolding mine) I normally am reliably in full disagreement with SA on just about every social policy issue but that last bit is a very sensible point he has made before in the thread. Police are being conditioned to take zero chances whatsoever until the situation degenerates into a deadly force decision… and the threshold for the decision has lowered. That has got to change – it gets people killed unnecessarily; and it feeds into the vision of police as a force to exert power, rather than a protective service.
That he concluded that therefore that absolves the involved officers of any personal guilt, well… I’ll give him that if he gives me that it also explains how many AA citizens are likely to have become conditioned that cooperation is futile and might as well resist and/or run. So, then … is “explains” the same as “justifies”?
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As to the whole PCP thing going on about in the thread, merely being on something or acting like you are is not itself a deadly threat either (and yes, let’s see the tox panels on the autopsy about that, how about we do?). Though yah, sure, it makes a fine excuse why nobody tried a 4-on-1 takedown “oh, no, he was dusted, he’d have made mincemeat of 4 people” :rolleyes:
monstro was saying that people with medical conditions can look like they are on PCP. There is no evidence that Crutcher had any medical condtions that made it look like he was on PCP. People who are on PCP also look like they are on PCP. There is evidence that Crutcher was on PCP - the fact that PCP was found in his car, that he had served time for drugs, that he was arrested for public intoxication, that his father said that he had an ongoing problem with PCP. There is also evidence that he refuses to show his hands and thus resists arrest when he is arrested for using PCP.
So, what evidence is there that he had a medical condition? None. What evidence is there that he was on PCP, just like the officers said? More than none.
And the officer had this information when she shot him and that’s why she shot him? She knew his medical records and past arrest record? She should have said.
