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The thing is, she didn’t shoot him as soon as she thought he was on PCP. She shot him as soon as she thought he was about to open a car door and THAT isn’t sufficient reason to shoot someone either but it wasn’t the PCP alone that did it. Frankly they should have tased him much much earlier. The helicopter pilot can be heard saying that they should have tased this guy already. I partly blame the other officers who had their tasers out for not tasing him.
Yes but acting in a threatening manner is how a police officer might reasonably determine if someone was an actual threat.
The news stories I have seen either cut away before the actual shooting (which includes the moment he lowers his hands) or it shows the shootings and the fact that he had lowered his hands.
Several people on the scene independently reached the conclusion that he was on something.
No, I’ve never taken it. I have only read descriptions of its effects as an analgesic and anesthetic. I have read that the reason the call it angel dust is because you can’t really feel your feet hit the floor when you walk so you feel like you are floating, like an angel.
Recent history shows that police officers do not get convicted of misdeeds. Very often, the DA will not even prosecute. This woman will not be indicted in the first place.
Officers are probably not trained to shoot people for reaching for a door handle. That is why she can’t get away from a manslaughter charge. There is simply no imminence to the threat posed by a guy that is still outside his car.
She might have had her gun out because she was the first officer on the scene. It is standard for lone officers to have their gun out instead of their taser. Tasers are for when you have the luxury of back up that is pointing their guns at the suspect. IOW, the other officers might have had their tasers out BECAUSE Shelby already had her gun out.
You can’t really fire them until after the investigation. If they get convicted of a felony, they can’t get a job as LEO. They might be able to plead it down to something acceptable.
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Why would it have to jibe with 1:49?
I had read that he might have had a gun in an ankle holster (obviously not a threat to the police). They might have ripped off his pants and emptied his pockets and pulled the firearm out of his ankle holster (along with the wallet on the ground next to him). I can’t tell what could have precipitated the gunfire from any of the videos I have seen.
The helicopter guy says it right after saying he was a “bad dude” he says “probably on something” Officer Shelby also determined that he was on PCP. Other officers noted his apparent discombobulation.
The standard is IMMINENT threat. Unless, as Elucidator said, the suspect was going to rip off the door and throw it at the cops. IMHO, the guys witht asers should have tasered him as soon as he reached his car door. A threat of a threat is enough for tasering imho.
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What-the-fuck-ever, man. The helicopter dude was, at best, 60 feet above the scene, once they got there. Are you seriously going to cite him as a legitimate judge of the situation? No, fuck that noise. We have officer Shelby saying that he looked like a guy on PCP, so everyone follows her lead, because she was the first one there.
Disoriented person? What ethnicity is he? Oh, well then, we should take him down hard, because we are police: everything looks like a nail.
Sorry, but this shit has become police officers escalating the situation based on, who knows, nigras I guess. Their job should be de-escalation, but their behavior has indicates they are doing the opposite. That is the thing that needs to be fixed.
Bullshit. He left his car running in the middle of the street and way over the center line. He was reported by 911 callers to be on the side of the road and acting strangely. When Officer Shelby arrived, she looked for occupants in the back seat and secured the car. Crutcher began to approach her from the side of the road. She asked if it was his car. He answered incoherently and began moving toward her with his hand in his pocket. She asked him to take his hands out of his pockets. She got into her car and asked for backup. While in the car he began approaching her from the passenger side of the car, once again putting his hands in his pockets. In accordance with her training she assessed him as being high on PCP. Being alone and faced with a much larger man who kept behaving bizarrely and refusing to follow her lawful commands, she drew her weapon. Crutcher then began walking slowly toward his vehicle with his hands in the air, defying her commands and those of the officers who were arriving and coming up behind her to render assistance. Upon arriving at the driver’s door he turn and reached for what appeared to me to be the door handle. At that moment both a taser and Officer Shelby’s gun were fired.
I agree that he should not have been shot, but then I haven’t been trained by having watched videos as to how quickly a person can reach into a car, grab a gun from inside, and and start firing. So maybe he should have been. But there’s no question it was his attempt to open the door that got him tased and shot. It had nothing to do with his ethnicity (and how come in some of these shootings the cop is a black guy and we still hear this shit?). It had nothing to do with taking him down “hard”.
He was a guy behaving unpredictably and uncooperatively and apparently under the influence of a powerful drug. The cops held off and yelled at him repeatedly to stop what he was doing and fired only when in their view and according to their training a potentially deadly threat developed.
I asked upthread as to exactly how the situation could possibly have been de-escalated and got crickets in response. Perhaps you’d care to take a crack at it.
“he’s on something”
“he’s going for my gun”
“he’s got a gun”
“he was very threatening”
“he was not complying with my orders”
“exculpatory statement I make every time I’m actually the one doing something wrong”
:rolleyes:
Your post is mostly the same bullshit you’ve been pedaling for pages and pages now, but I’ll tackle your question: the cops could have not done any of the things they did. They could have not tased him, not shot him, not decided he was a threat to begin with. They could have sought information rather than compliance. They could have acted like they cared about Mr. Crutcher, for just a few minutes, more than they cared about getting home on time. They could have acted like the public servants they are supposed to be. That’s some of things the cops could have done to de-escalate things.
Now go crawl back in your paper towel tube, you fucking cretin.