IIRC, the whole “PCP” thing derived from the supposed super-human strength and resistance to pain the drug allegedly induces. Offered in tenuous support of the police action.
Had PCP once, none of that stuff happened, I just sat there and waited for it to go away. Yeah, experimented with drugs, my lab notes for PCP read “Fuck that shit!”. No further research was needed. Nor contemplated.
I take these things case by case.
I think it was likely that Terence Crutcher was on drugs.
I think that officer Shelby was entitled to draw her weapon ad maintain distance.
I think that the guy with the taser should have fired a LOT sooner.
I don’t think there was an imminent threat when Officer Shelby shot Terence Crutcher.
I don’t think officer Shelb was looking for a reason to shoot Terence Crutcher or driven by racial animus, I think she was Barney Fife. I think a lot of people have racist fear of black men and refuse to accept their subconscious racism s something they are responsible for controlling.
Not all people are good people. Why would you think that there would be a lower concentration of assholes among the police?
If that is not a character in a Steven Seagal movie, I think **Starkers **hasn’t a clue.
And how many trees must you count before you are willing to say “forest”?
In large part, because we arm them, train them, and charge them with policing our society. If there are asshole cops, there should be systems in place to remove them. There are systems in place to better arm and train police officers, right? So shouldn’t the system hold them accountable?
Well, isn’t this just the prime example?
The therapist (a black man) was trying to get his patient (not a black man) to obey the officers commands. So the cops shoot the black man.
Is it in the manual somewhere? “When in doubt, shoot the black man.”
Wait until you see his instructions for rape victims…
Quick anecdote about Steven Seagull; he was known for being a douchebag on set, hurting the stuntmen, and generally being an asshole. One day he was delusionally bragging about how he couldn’t be choked unconscious, and Gene LeBell overheard him. Gene, who had had enough of Seagull’s shit, took him up on his challenge. Long story short, Gene choked Seagull unconscious so hard that Seagull shit himself. From that point forward, Seagull was known in the martial arts community as “Black Belt, Brown Pants.”
Seagull, in addition to being a delusional narcissist and martial arts fraud, badly abused his ex-wifes, and was also known for abusing underage Asian prostitutes when he was filming in, I think, Thailand. It’s the “abusing underage prostitutes” story that quietly circulated in Hollywood and killed his career.
Starving Artist gets his idea of how police behave from Steven Seagull.
P.s. spelling of name deliberate
So now you think he was going to the car to try and drive off, not to get a weapon? Good call, since she hadn’t seen a weapon when she searched the car. That makes it even less justifiable to be shooting – there are many other ways to stop someone from driving off.
I saw a sign around here that said “All Lives Matter - Thank You Police”, and I thought, you mean the same police who pulled a sick black man naked off his own toilet in his own house and pulled him into the street. I guess we should just be thankful he wasn’t killed. :rolleyes:
Or the cops who answered the call from a concerned neighbor watching a (black male) friend of mine move into his new apartment in the middle of the day after getting a job up here. Thanks, police, for sitting in your cruiser watching him because god forbid a black man move in without suspicion. Minor I know in light of everything else, but depressing.
Let me turn this around a bit.
So what I’m hearing from the police and the authoritarians out there is that when I walk out my door every day, hell, just every day because they could come into my house…
I have to do everything any police officer tells me to do, immediately and without complaint, or they have the right to kill me.
That really doesn’t sound very reasonable to me and I’m not quite sure when we ceded them this much power, but it is time to dial it back.
You know, to go back in time a bit, there was no reason for the cops who shot Tamir Rice to just stand around and not render aid while it still may have done some good.
Oh yeah the police union said that Kinsey was shot by accident. They were actually aiming for the autisic patient for the offence of not following instructions. Of course he couldn’t, he was autisic. I’m sure that the police apologists will say that it was a tragic misunderstanding. I would agree if deaf people weren’t also shot for not following instructions.
Not following police instructions is not a capital offense.
No, it’s not reasonable. We should all be in agreement over something as basic as this. But we’re not, and that’s scary.
If I’m not responding to a police officer’s commands, I give my permission for them to arrest me by any means necessary. Hopefully they do their due diligence and at least check that I’m not having a stroke or some other medical crisis. I give them my permission to tackle me onto the ground, and if I’m that wild, tase me. Just don’t kill me. I’d like to think I’m paying my taxes to be afforded that much respect, at least.
If you’re that scared that shooting someone is your first instinct, you’re a horrible police officer.
On the other hand, there probably is a small percentage of officers who get off bullying the public, and while shooting a suspect may not be their first instinct, it’s might be on a short list.
I think most of these shootings have to deal with training issues, and not personality disorders, but they can be there. Look at the ABQ cop who said he wanted to shoot the homeless guy’s dick off and was recorded a few hours before he shot the guy actually saying this.
“Do what they say and you won’t get hurt” is advice you give a hostage, not a free citizen interacting with a public servant.
Another incredibly fucked up encounter with the police.
Yes, it’s a long video and requires some patience. But it goes from calm, polite to WTF!!! in the blink of an eye. It’s quite disturbing.
I’ve never shed a tear before while watching these kind of videos. Not even Philandro Castille’s or Sandra Bland’s video made me cry, though I came close. This video has really messed me up, though. And it’s funny, too, because Dejuan Yourse makes it out alive. But there’s something about his polite, cordial manner that reminds me so much of my big brother. I picture my brother sitting on our parent’s front porch (also in a suburban cul de sac), waiting for our folks to come home so he can do whatever repair job they need him to do. And then I see him being being brutalized by a cop hopped up on testosterone and authority. This makes me so sad and angry, ya’ll.
Dejuan could have easily been killed. And if it weren’t for the videos, you better fuckin’ believe the story would have been “The suspect grabbed for my gun and I feared for my life.”
The male cop has been permanently suspended. I think his partner should also be fired for her role in all of this. Did you catch the big-ass lie she told right before the shit went down? Perhaps if she hadn’t done that, Dejuan wouldn’t have (correctly) surmised that he was being harrassed.
On the other hand, there probably is a small percentage of officers who get off bullying the public, and while shooting a suspect may not be their first instinct, it’s might be on a short list.
I think most of these shootings have to deal with training issues, and not personality disorders, but they can be there. Look at the ABQ cop who said he wanted to shoot the homeless guy’s dick off and was recorded a few hours before he shot the guy actually saying this.
Yes, the oft repeated ‘small number’ and ‘training issues’.
These excuses might be more believable if the ‘larger number’ of “good” cops were doing something about their bad actors and not high-fiving them in court and protecting them from being fired.
Because there are people in this thread who are saying that he was shot because the cops could tell that he was on PCP.
And being on PCP earns you an instant death sentence without trial, apparently.