You, however, are not correct, they have not been shot for that reason. They have been shot either because the cop felt a reasonable fear of death or serious injury, or they have been killed unlawfully, because the cop is either paranoid or a murderer. The last two are obviously much rarer.
Some audio and video of the Wichita shooting:
Any thougths?
No, I’m taking the worst most fearful position reasonable. Which is everyone’s right when being threatened with a gun, including cops. You, me, and they have every right to defend ourselves well before there’s a gun pointed at us, and to say otherwise is simply to say that you don’t believe that we have a right to self defence.
If that’s what you belive - that we don’t have a right to self defence, a right (but emphatically not an obligation) to treat our own lives as more valuable than another’s, then say so.
Some sort of crime
How serious the crime is ranked probably depends on the state, but I think it is at least a misdemeanor everywhere.
For this instance, I am relying on the deterrence aspect of our theory of justice. I don’t think that this guy needs to be removed from society for society’s safety, I don’t think he needs to be controlled for rehabilitation.
He is one of those rare people that I feel should be punished to serve as an example to others.
I am usually against that aspect of theory of justice, as I don’t think that it really does much good for 90%+ of crimes. Desperate people don’t care about the consequences that their desperation leads them to.
This is definitely one of those times though, that knowing that these actions can get you tossed in jail for a good long while may make some asshole think twice before pulling this shit.
Which category does the Philando Castile killing fit?
Should niggers be allowed to carry handguns?
Not much to see on that video, interesting phone call, though. The kid on the phone said it was a single story house. Was the shooting at the front porch of that 3 story house in the video?
Most of these situations involve a cop who is a pussy or a thug. Most of these are not lawful shootings.
…indeed. These bastards have been playing with fire for a while and they’ve essentially been getting away with it. This wasn’t, as some have been characterizing it, “a mere prank.”
Oh, it was so close. But you had to put the word “reasonable” there and that totally demolished your post. But it was close, I’ll give you that.
This is the same kind of prank as dropping things from interstate overpasses and hoping it doesn’t kill someone when the “weight” hits a car.
Same in some ways, but far more cowardly.
Of course, this also was not a random attack, he thought he was calling the police on the guy he was playing games with. It would be like trying to drop a weight on a particular person’s car as they drove under, but hit someone else entirely instead.
Fair point up there about how in a real hostage situation they could have shot a hostage. (Jeez, come on, are we really expecting any dude you confront to be the goddamn Waco Kid?)
But…
Absolutely. Even under the most generous reading of reasonable police actions as presented in this thread, any reasonable person living today must know that *provoking *a police confrontation under pretext of a violent crime means putting lives in imminent real danger.
Thats a damn good point
He was unarmed, had no idea wht was going on and probably couldn’t hear a thing at that distance especially if car engines were running.
Utterly pathetic and amateur. Again.
Self defence, and yes.
As I understand it, Castile was not holding the gun at any point in his interaction with the police, so it’s not relevant to this conversation. The cop believed he was in danger, and the jury agreed. So, self defence.
I’ve been repeatedly informed by posters in this thread that calling people thugs is racist. Are you racist as well as misogynistic?
And you are factually wrong that most of the shootings are unlawful. The vast majority have been investigated, and the opposite has been found.
That’s a pretty nice jump. He was never holding a gun, therefore, self defense.
That justifies a cop murdering anyone at all, for any reason at all. Self defense.
If I may pick a nit, the jury did not necessarily agree that the cop was, in fact, in danger. What they agreed on was that there wasn’t enough evidence to show that he did not legitimately perceive a threat to his life.
I have felt that the Philando Castile and the Tulsa shootings are perhaps more complicated than some of the other high profile incidents that have occurred. One thing that has to be acknowledged is that officers patrol a nation that is armed to the teeth. Yes, individuals have the legal right to carry firearms but the intent of the individual possessing them can easily be misconstrued, rightly or wrongly. That’s one of several reasons I no longer own firearms and probably never will again, though I won’t say never.
Juries make errors all the time. Cops don’t investigate other cops properly. Prosecutors need to be reelected. The system is broken and not being convicted doesnt mean that the cop is justified in killing another person.