Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

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12402

Yes they did. Perhaps you need to go look at what was actually said again. We know the “dead kid”, as you characterise him, was antisocial and aggressive, the only disagreement is whether that amounted to an imminent threat. He was not some uninvolved bystander, he was the one who turned the music back up to a level that was moving nearby cars - a volume that could cause damage to the hearing of those in them - and at minimum shouted aggressively at Dunn.

You take that “at minimum” as proof that Dunn was not threatened, for some reason.

I don’t. I am not lying, and my “casting aspertions on a dead kid” is basically irrelevant. He’s dead, an accusation of any sort can’t harm him, or affect him in any way. What it can do is help someone who claims to be a victim of him, and that’s acually an imprtant thing.

Because someone who claims to be a victim of him is in prison for murder. I don’t like seeing people falsely jailed for murder, and I would hope that something like the Innocence Project - which has done great work helping mostly black victims of injustice - could do the same here.

It wouldn’t get Dunn out of jail any time soon, as he’s rightly been convicted of attempted murder. But it would set the record straight, and potentially affect his future as paroled attempted murderers are probably treated very differently from paroled murderers.

12403

Don’t you guys get it? He shouted aggressively from inside car! How much more thug can you get! Why, any rational person can see that the only response to being aggressively shouted at is to fire indiscriminately into the vehicle!

12404

Well, we live in a country with an effective police force too.

They make mistakes, both on the individual officer level and also on the department level. That’s not a problem. The problem is that they refuse to admit their mistakes and seek to prevent repeating them.

That is all this thread is about, pointing out the mistakes made by the police, and holding them to account to address them and prevent their recurrence.

That you call such things calling for anarchy and all the other stupid shit you blather on about leaves only one question to anyone who reads your words, just how stupid of a lying troll are you?

12405

I’ve looked, multiple times, liar. You’re just being dishonest here. His friends didn’t call him antisocial, or aggressive, or dangerous, and they all specifically said that he didn’t threaten Dunn in any way (contrary to your lies), and didn’t try and leave the car. They said he was in an angry conversation with Dunn, and that’s it. No threats, no violence of any kind, no dangerous actions (except from Dunn).

Just continuous lies from you, to slander a dead kid, and defend (for some reason) a proven liar and convicted murderer. The jury got it right; lying fools like you and Dunn are wrong.

12406

You really need to learn to read, and understand what you read. I’ve never claimed he tried to leave the car, I’ve claimed - backed up by statements from both “sides” that he was involved in antisocial behaviour. Behaviour which you gave repeatedly described, including in this post, and somehow still claim I’m lying about.

The sole reasonable point of disagreement is whether the angry conversation escalated to threatening. There’s no reasonable doubt that Davis decided to turn the music back up to dangerous levels after his friends complied with the reasonable request to turn it down, and was angry and abusive to Dunn. Davis was observably an antisocial thug,.

You can’t slander a dead person, you fucking idiot, they gave no reputation to harm. I will, however, defend someone who remains alive, and claims to be the victim of a crime, against people who just ignore that claim, and consider them a liar without goid reason. You, and others here, assume that anyone who claims self defence is necessarily an unreliable witness and a liar, which is abhorrent.

I assume you think the jury got it right in all the cases where black people have been released after years in prison after it was found that there was a miscarriage of justice? Or, for that matter, in all the cases where people have been found not guilty due to self defence, and you’ve claimed they are wrong? Or is it just this case, which happens to align with your prejudices, where you agree with the jury?

I’d like to see all people who g a deal been wrongfully convicted, whether because of an incompetent defence or because people don’t believe in the right to self defence, freed. I’d like to see anyone who claims to have acted in self defence treated as a victim, not a suspect. Basically, I’d rather people get away with murder than people be falsely convicted, because I actually believe people have rights, and because I believe in justice, not vengeance.

12407

Depends *how *aggressive. If the shouting involves “I’ve got a gun and am about to shoot you” its a rational response, although discriminately shooting would be far preferred.

Regardless, aggressively shouting at someone who asks you to turn your dangerously loud music down is antisocial thuggish behaviour. Not bad enough to *deserve *death, or even any sort of violent response, by itself, but it’s enough to make the claim of further threats credible.

12408

“dangerously loud”?

12409

Excessively loud music can damage hearing, yes. I’m obviously not claiming that the music on its own is enough to justify any sort of self defence, but deliberately playing it in public, after being asked not to, is antisocial behaviour.

12410

End the debate and produce a cite that brands him an “antisocial thug”.

12411

And still not a good reason to kill someone.

Oh, and in case you missed it…

Dunn’s fiance contradicted his testimony, as did the coroner.

12412

What antisocial behavior, liar? Arguing? Arguing isn’t “antisocial behavior”. Arguing is normal human interaction, you lying scumbag.

Bullshit on “dangerous levels”, liar. That’s just bullshit nonsense, and does not reasonably lead to violent behavior on Dunn’s behalf unless you’re inclined (as you apparently are) to automatically believe people who kill black people.

Dunn’s own girlfriend (as well as all the other witnesses as well as physical evidence) contradicted his own testimony, liar. He also shot repeatedly at a car that was driving away – and you fucking trust his word after that? What the fuck is wrong with you for trusting someone who shoots at kids driving away?

12413

The troll is arguing that not turning down loud music when asked by a stranger is antisocial, while asking someone to turn down their music is somehow not antisocial. It is not clear to me exactly what constituted “asked” in this case, but I get the impression that “please” was not part of the conversation.

12414

Well, yes, obviously. No one who even slightly gives a shit about other people would disagree.

12415

Yes, I know, I said as much in the post you quoted…

12416

Don’t you people get it? The kid was being antisocial by being black!

12417

You know what isn’t normal human behaviour? Following someone around the internet, calling them a liar, and insulting them. Especially when the things you call lies are either deliberate misinterpretations of what I’ve said (as in this case), actually true or at worst debatable, or often both of the above.

Firstly, it’s not bullshit, any noise loud enough to vibrate a car from a few feet away is enough to damage hearing. And secondly, neither Dunn nor I have claimed that music would be enough to justify any form of physical interaction.

What is allowable is defending yourself against threats of imminent violence, which is what Dunn claimed the antisocial, argumentative guy in the car was doing. That Davis’s behaviour escalated to threatening is hardly impossible to believe, despite what you say.

What does shooting at them have to do with his honesty? He didn’t lie about doing that. And to say, as you are, that because he’s guilty of one crime, he must be guilty of another, separate crime is hugely unjust. Not surprising from you, as you seem to have no concept of justice, rather thinking that you know everything and that the vengeance you call for us necessarily right.

Regardless of anything else, Davis’s behaviour to Dunn was indefensible. His death doesn’t change that, and even if Dunn did murder him, it doesn’t change that.

But hey, you keep on assuming that people who report being victims of crime are liars. Maybe you could go work for Trump, or somewhere in Hollywood. They’ll be looking for people who can argue that point as tenaciously as you. Your tedious and inaccurate characterisation of those you disagree with as liars, instead of refuting their arguments, is also remarkably Trumpian. Perhaps you should make a bit more effort not to remind one so much of a sad, pathetic, barely literate, self-important buffoon.

12418

Blasting RAP music will make any police officer or person apprehensive. If you listen to rap and thoroughly enjoy it, you may enjoy the lifestyle associated with it. The lifestyle being crime.

Next time you see a car blasting rap music, go up to the very next one, preferably with window tints and knock and ask them to turn it down. You’ll get a threat, at minimum. That apprehensiveness you feel, police feel as well and keeps them on their guard, which can have disastrous consequences, especially if someone makes quick movements.

Not saying the killing was justified, just putting this out there.

12419

Also on a lighter note… Who puts a subwoofer in a dodge durango? that is just not tasteful. In an impala or cadillac its nice.

12420

No, he was being antisocial and black, those two things aren’t linked. Perhaps you should stop thinking so much about skin colour and focus on people’s actions.

It’s becoming very clear that supposed liberals care far more about race, and think about things more often in terms of race, than the vast majority of conservatives. Whether behaviour is acceptable, and what is an appropriate response to it, doesn’t change based on race, no matter how much your liberal guilt wants it to. Antisocial behaviour by a black guy is still antisocial, it doesn’t get a pass because his grandparents were oppressed half a century ago.

12421

But you *are *a liar. IF you don’t like being called a liar, maybe you should stop lying–if your mental illnesses will let you.

As for the insults, you’re pretty much a worthless sack of shit. Anyone who says anything less insulting than that is actually complementing you. You should thank them.