We’ve not been talking about any cases where black people have defended themselves, so I’ve obviously not stated an opinion on any specific cases. However, self defence and stand your ground legal defences are disproportionately used by black people - usually in cases of black on black violence, as that is so disproportionately high - and I’m fully in favour of that. For whatever reason, those cases are rarely considered controversial, so don’t get discussed.
Same with cases where black men are wrongfully convicted of murder. On this board at least, there would be no controversy, and little to discuss. I suspect that there’s quite a few wrongfully convicted people who, had they been able to afford the quality of lawyers Zimmerman had, would be free. That doesn’t mean that Zimmerman should be convicted to make things fairer…
So “antisocial” = threat? How about a cite for the statements of his friends, as well?
And an antisocial youth is enough for you to call him a “thug” as well as to be fine with his death? And you call other people inhumane? What the hell is wrong with you on a human level? A kid died, for at worst playing loud music, and you are fine that he’s dead and slander him in death. Why would you say such terrible things about a dead kid? That’s someone’s brother; someone’s son.
Disgusting. Hopefully you’re not as disgusting a person in real life as you are on this board. But on this board, you’re a disgusting liar, and a cruel and callous person. Shame!
I don’t think you know what “at worst” means… That’s not all he did even based on the testimony of his friends, and their testimony is the at best, not the at worst things he did.
The lengths people here are going to to defend violent, antisocial scumbags who make people’s lives a misery, just because they are black, is absurd. I’ve never seen the sort of defence for frat boys who do the same sort of thing from you.
The lengths you’re going to to defend slandering a dead black kid are revolting. The lies you’re telling (that he was “dangerous”, that he threatened anyone, that he was “violent”) about a dead black kid are revolting. Davis didn’t threaten anyone with a gun. Davis didn’t do anything violent. At worst he turned the music up and yelled at a crazy asshole who ended up killing him (who then lied about it multiple times) and shot wildly into a car full of kids.
Why is being right so important to you that you’re willing to go to the mat just about saying terrible (and false) things about a dead black kid? Doesn’t his family deserve at least the minimum compassion that would include not lying about their dead son?
I’ve no interest in lying about anyone, I get nothing from that apart from anything else. His race is irrelevant too, I’ve no interest in that either, and it seems the only people who do are the supposed liberals. As for his family, I’m not aware that they’re reading this. If they were, I’d probably avoid the topic. I’m not going to change my views based on what might hypothetically hurt someone if they knew them, though. Right or wrong, true or false, don’t depend on that.
At least you’ve upped your standard for “at worst” somewhat. That’s a start, maybe you are capable of listening.
Says the liar who lied about Jordan Davis, a dead black child, repeatedly, and for no discernible reason. You called him a thug, dangerous, and violent, when the evidence overwhelmingly showed that he didn’t threaten anyone and didn’t act violently in any way at all. You’re a liar and a slanderer of dead children.
I really can’t decide if you’re stupid or just naive, to keep claiming that I’m lying about Davis. The evidence shows he was an antisocial thug, and would do so regardless of the shade of his skin. Your belief that, because he’s black, any criticism must be racism, is just as idiotic as saying all black people are scum, or whatever.
The evidence does not show that, liar. I’m calling you a liar because you keep saying things that aren’t true. And lying to slander a dead child is particularly disgusting.
This is, of course, a lie. Your commitment to self-defense vanished like your integrity when you were faced with a video of black men defending themselves.
And, of course, when an innocent black kid was brutally murdered you were Johnny on the spot with the racist attacks.
And, of course, when a white man was fairly convicted by our legal system of the brutal murder of a black kid, your commitment to the integrity of the legal system vanished like your commitment to telling the truth.
Just because he was an “antisocial thug” doesn’t mean he deserved to be murdered. If that became the qualification for killing people the US would have a decrease in the millions. There are other avenues for dealing with “thugs” like prison, fines, civil suits, and other loses to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Lose of life should not be one of them.
He also wasn’t an “antisocial thug”. It’s bullshit lies based on nothing more than the words of a liar, so Steophan can pretend that it was reasonable for him to slander a dead kid.
No, it’s based on the words of his friends, and his proven actions. If you don’t believe that this kid was a thug, and took pride in being a thug, you are ridiculously naive.
It has nothing to do with race, either. The vast majority of “proud to be a thug” types I’ve met are white, and usually middle-aged. You know, actual lying racists.
No, I live in a state with an effective police force. Just, unfortunately, also a state that also locks people up occasionally for defending themselves.