Leave out critical details much? “the victim, identified in the affidavits as Ulises Valladares.”
Orwell
January 27, 2018, 4:03pm
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Everything’s about race, isn’t it?
bobot
January 27, 2018, 4:27pm
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That is profound, man. Let me dig that for a while… Wait, that was a question? Nevermind.
Should probably go ahead and shoot them as well, just to be safe.
Well, yes. Apparently it had something to do with cartels so better shoot somebody who looks Mexican and has so much hemp on him that he can’t move.
A variant of Bob The Bulldog Briscoe-method ?
It’s all very funny and so on but really I didn’t get that kayaker’s one…
SteveG1
January 29, 2018, 9:54pm
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Oh. Then it’s OK. :smack:
SteveG1
January 29, 2018, 9:56pm
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Yeah, they look scary. Gotta get home tonight, so better kill them to be sure.
Or something …
I’m not sure we covered this last year when it happened; I think we might have missed it:Kansas officer fired for violating policy in deadly shooting
A Kansas police officer who fatally shot a man in an SUV outside the man’s home six months ago has been fired for violating department policy in the shooting, a police chief said Monday.
Leavenworth Police Chief Patrick Kitchens said in an email that Officer Matthew Harrington was terminated Friday for violating the department’s use of deadly force policy in the shooting that killed 47-year-old Antonio Garcia Jr. Prosecutors are still reviewing the case.
“It was my conclusion the use of deadly force was unreasonable,” Kitchens said.
Police have provided few details about what led up to the shooting, including whether Garcia was armed. It happened after Harrington responded in July to a domestic argument at Garcia’s home over possession of an SUV that initially was reported as stolen, according to police. Garcia left before Harrington arrived, then returned and had an “encounter” with Harrington in the driveway, according to a news release from police. Garcia was shot while in the SUV.
Oh hey: let’s not forget about Baltimore :
Two former Baltimore detectives testified Monday about a series of brazen robberies and other illegal activities by a rogue police unit as the second week of a high-profile racketeering trial got underway.
Indicted ex-detectives Jemell Rayam and Evodio Hendrix, who each face a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, took the stand in U.S. District Court in Baltimore clad in jail jumpsuits. They are among six indicted city detectives who have pleaded guilty and among four who are cooperating with the government during the trial.
Rayam testified about a July 2016 robbery of a married couple who were handcuffed after leaving Home Depot and taken to a police substation nicknamed “The Barn,” even though there was no evidence they had committed any crime. The indictment alleges that Gun Trace Task Force supervisor Sgt. Wayne Jenkins posed as a federal official during their interrogation.
After Ronald Hamilton disclosed he had about $40,000 in cash at the couple’s house outside the city, Gun Trace Task Force detectives drove the handcuffed couple to their Carroll County property, called a relative to pick up their children, and then scoured the house looking for cash.
They robbed $20,000 before calling other law enforcement agencies to the couple’s home, Rayam testified, saying he “took the cash and put it in the (police) vehicle we were driving.”
He testified the detectives divvied up the money and went celebrating that night at two casinos.
Earlier in the day, Hendrix testified about a $100,000 robbery from a safe following a home invasion that prosecutors say involved Detective Marcus Taylor. He said Taylor held the camera during the subsequent staging of police body-camera video to make it seem like legitimate police business.
Hendrix testified that Taylor used his $20,000 share from that illegal payday to build a deck at his town house.
Hersl and Taylor have pleaded not guilty to charges of racketeering and robbery.
According to Hendrix, Jenkins told his squad members that then-Commissioner Kevin Davis knew that he was giving them overtime whenever an illegal gun was seized. The members are accused of defrauding their department for years with bogus overtime claims, including while they were on vacation with their families.
The ongoing trial is one of the largest scandals in the city police force’s history. It comes as a monitoring team is overseeing court-ordered reforms as part of a federal consent decree reached last January between Baltimore and the U.S. Justice Department due to discriminatory and unconstitutional policing.
Dozens of cases handled by unit members have been dropped by prosecutors since detectives were indicted in March. Davis, who was recently fired as commissioner, disbanded the Gun Trace Task Force last year, describing the indicted officers as “1930s-style gangsters.”
Well, that is a start. Now it just needs to be assured that the guy doesn’t get another police job with a different department.
Why isn’t there a national database of bad cops?
Muffin
January 30, 2018, 3:33pm
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Supercomputer development is not yet there to handle the volume.
Please follow this link to read more about the trial in Baltimore .
On the stand Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Baltimore, Rayam cried while describing a crash involving two cars. He initially had a hard time recalling which incident prosecutors were referring to, saying “there were so many car accidents” and “chases” during his time on the rogue squad.
The Aug. 31, 2016, high-speed chase started when Gun Trace Task Force supervisor, Sgt. Wayne Jenkins, tried to stop a car he suspected of having some kind of contraband. When the motorist sped off from a gas station, the detectives’ two unmarked cars followed in fast pursuit on rain-slicked streets.
After running a red light, the target’s car was T-boned at an intersection by another motorist, the totaled vehicles coming to rest partly on a sidewalk, according to Rayam.
“It was real bad. And none of us stopped. I mean, none of us stopped to render aid or see if anyone was hurt,” he said through tears.
Addressing jurors, Rayam said: “It could have been any of us. It could’ve been you.”
“So many” :eek:
What the Baltimore detectives didn’t know was that federal agents had concealed a microphone in one of the police vehicles. Prosecutors on Tuesday played the recording for jurors, the sound of falling rain and accelerating car engines in the background.
After the wreck, officers can be heard telling each other that Jenkins didn’t want anybody to “call it in” or get involved in providing help. One indicted detective, Momodu Gondo, talks about whether or not the crash was captured on “City Watch” surveillance cameras in the area.
Discussing what kind of response they could feasibly have if they get linked to the accident, Detective Daniel Hersl, one of two task force members who have pleaded not guilty, can be heard saying: “Hey, I was in this car, just driving home.” He then chuckles.
That’s a cop saying that to another cop, in case you missed that.
Rayam on Tuesday also testified to routine overtime fraud, alleging that everyone on the Gun Trace Task Force filled out payroll slips with hours they never worked.
“It was just a way of life. We all filled out slips for each other,” he testified.
Makes me wonder how many other big cities have police units like this, eh.
Interesting
[quote]Baltimore PD: Always Carry a Toy Gun In Case You Need to Plant One – Mother Jones ):
And then there’s the revelation that the supervisor of the [elite Gun Trace Task Force] instructed officers to carry a toy gun just in case they found themselves “in a jam” and needed to plant one. When one of the officers, Marcus Tayor, was arrested, officials couldn’t figure out why he had a toy gun in his glove compartment.
Failing to turn on your body cam is not the same thing as turning off your body cam. But I get your point. The body cams aren’t capturing everything.
Is it your position that these body cams are being left off intentionally?
Is it your position that the stuff being captured by body cams is not representative of how cops behave generally?
Is it your position that bad police shootings are a common event?
Happy_Fun_Ball:
I came here to post this one. In my opinion, the video looked more like an execution with 4 shots to the head than police trying to protect themselves, but I am sure they will get off without charges filed.
If this guy is from McLean, there is a good chance that he is wealthy. About 90% of McLean is million dollar homes (lots of 3 million dollar homes).
Damuri_Ajashi:
Failing to turn on your body cam is not the same thing as turning off your body cam. But I get your point. The body cams aren’t capturing everything.
Is it your position that these body cams are being left off intentionally?
Sometimes it is through negligence and poor work ethic, and sometimes it is intentional. It is hard to tell in all cases whether the person is a bad cop, or just bad at being a cop.
Either way, they are supposed to do so, and don’t. Is this an acceptable state of affairs to you?
Cops who know they are on camera know that what they are doing is being recorded by an objective party. Cops that are not aware that they are on camera do not have any reason to follow the laws and policies that they are supposed to, as they know that if it is a matter of their word against an arrestee, they will be the one believed. And their word against a corpse, they are always believed.
More common than they would like us to think. And, it is not the bad shoot itself that is the most problematic part. People make mistakes. People sometimes make mistakes that get other people killed. It happens in all industries.
The problem is in the cover-up of bad shoots. This isn’t just about individual cops making poor decisions, this is about law enforcement agencies deciding that protecting their members from the consequence of their mistakes is more important than taking steps to avoiding those mistakes in the future.
And then we also have police conduct that doesn’t involve someone dead. We have police planting evidence, and only being caught at it because they didn’t know how their body cams worked. We have police assaulting and arresting people for sitting on their mother’s porch, waiting for her to get home.
Cameras are capturing behavior of the police that is not something that should be accepted in those who are charged with keeping our communities safe. The people in this thread feel that the cameras are uncovering problems with our law enforcement that need to be addressed. Police and their apologists feel that the cameras giving the public a record of the behavior of the police is the problem.
From the “Are You Fucking Kidding Me?” file :
An off-duty Los Angeles police officer won’t face criminal charges stemming from a dispute with Anaheim teenagers that ended with him firing a gun, a videotaped incident that quickly went viral and prompted days of protests in the suburban neighborhood.
Prosecutors had harsh words for Officer Kevin Ferguson’s behavior, writing in a memo that his choices were “unwise, immature and flat-out horrible.” His actions and language were vulgar, they said. He terrified the 13-year-old he detained, they added, and endangered the safety of others.
But, prosecutors said, they couldn’t prove that behavior was criminal.
How about kidnapping? How about reckless endangerment? How about discharging a firearm within the city? How about assault and battery?
They didn’t think there was ANY crime committed that they could prove was a crime? :dubious:
Are you fucking kidding me?
Snowboarder_Bo:
From the “Are You Fucking Kidding Me?” file :
They didn’t think there was ANY crime committed that they could prove was a crime? :dubious:
Are you fucking kidding me?
They had harsh words, what else can you ask for?
It’s hard to say exactly what the criminal punishment for threatening and assaulting children for the crime of walking across your lawn should be. The kid is sueing, so hopefully that goes well.
At the very least, he has demonstrated that he does not have the temperament that we would want among those who are supposed to protect our communities.
See, you are looking at it the wrong way. Cameras cannot give you the whole story. You were not there . You have no idea what it was like. What you could see on the video is incomplete. I mean, if they had cameras on you all day while you were trying to work, what about those times that you do things that are not “by the book”? The officers were there. They have a deeper understanding of what happened, and all this MMQBing is fucking up their ability to get the job done. Goddam kibitzers.
/poe
