I’m fairly certain that references to other cases serve as rebuttals to things you are asserting as a result of this case.
It must be depressing going through life making absolutely wrong assumptions day after day after day…but maybe my assumption is wrong and you actually thrive on being constantly disappointed.
You’re mistaken.
Regards,
Shodan
So it’s the latter? In it’s own way that is even more worse…but I try not to think less of those who need to be disappointed to survive.
Nah, we just moved on from your stupidity.
He thinks that when people stop responding to him it’s because they agree with him? What does he think when they all leave the room-That they are having a parade in his honor?
Yes.
Yes.
Whether or not it’s a real threat is utterly irrelevant as to whether the shooting is legally or morally justified.
Happens a lot here, but then most people here don’t believe that the police have a right to get home to their families after work.
It seems that at least two persons here think that only the police have a right to get home alive.
Man. I would call you a loathsome piece of shit, but I would rather not offend fecal matter that way. At least it has some value.
The police have no more a right to that than anybody else has.
That’s the obvious observation and it fucking boggles my mind anyone would think otherwise. Just disgusting.
Yeah, that’s rough. “Cops should shoot a guy 20 times when they are a little bit scared, so they can go home to their families” I’m pretty sure that military ROE doesn’t even allow that in a friggin’ war zone.
Unfortunately the person at home was black rather than a boy in blue.
No less, either, despite what many people here think. We require the police to confront dangerous people, which is why they are given plenty of leeway to defend themselves from perceived threats.
To make it clear, again, it’s utterly irrelevant whether there’s a real threat. What matters is if it’s reasonable to perceive a threat in the circumstances, often in an instant. Vanishingly few of the cases in this thread have been situations where it’s clear that there was no reason to see a threat, and in many of those cases the cops involved have been punished appropriately.
Take, for example, someone who has been seen smashing windows, who then moves towards the cops with an unidentified object in his hand, ignoring police commands. Anyone who claims that it’s unreasonable to see them as a serious threat isa liar or an idiot.
By what evidence do you claim that this occurred?
In addition to what iiandyiiii asked: is the guy deaf? Does he speak English?
Why, the cop said it happened like that. Therefore, it 100% happened exactly like that.
That seems to be the gospel from the LEO standpoint, and will probably remain so. Unfortunately, the videos I found online don’t shed any light. The overhead one from the helicopter doesn’t show the suspect at the time of the shooting, and I can’t tell much of anything from the cops’ video. So, it seems impossible to know whether the suspect was advancing toward the cops, had anything in his hand or made any threatening movements.
We all know what the standard is - and it’s painfully obvious that the police do as well. It’s just that “we” do not think it should be the standard. The threat should be real for use of deadly force to be justified. And what makes my assertion all the more credible is that in the majority of cop/civilian dangerous encounters they both walk away. So clearly the majority of cops are able to understand what is a real threat and what is not. The outrage expressed in this thread (and in real life) is that there is a non insignificant number of cops who don’t or can’t understand the difference between a real and perceived threat at seemingly zero consequence to themselves.
Even if we concede that these cops had no time to properly evaluate whether the threat was real and made an “honest mistake” the end result is that an innocent person is dead and it is that cop’s fault and has to bear some responsiblility. but time and time and TIME AGAIN we are told that the cop has ZERO culpability in these incidents and the victim is completely to blame.
That is the outrageous part.
Whether or not you think this is an endemic problem with the police (I do) you have to admit that civilians who are, IN REALITY, not a threat being killed by the police is a serious problem.
And anyone who claims that it’s unreasonable to see this as a serious problem isa liar or an idiot.
mc
Cops confront Domino’s employee over undelivered pizza, get suspended
Good to know that some departments are taking misconduct seriously.
Though I don’t doubt this would be taking a different route if there had been no video.