I have still not seen the video. (Youtube is blocked at work)
Him kneeling in front of the car door with a gun is suspicious behavior, at the very least. I certainly would have been wondering what his intent was. There seems to be disagreement about whether he had the gun in his hand. Can anyone say for sure? One poster says he didn’t respond for 30 seconds after being ordered to put it down. Was it 30 seconds? 30 seconds is a lot longer than people think.
I will say this. Cops aggressively shouting orders doesn’t seem like a way to diffuse a situation. The shouting, especially multiple cops shouting, seems like it would inflame a sense of panic. It may actually heighten a sense of fear within the cops. Scared people make bad decisions. Is it fear that makes them shout this way? Or is this how they are trained to act?
Almost 40 seconds, according to the video. She said some variation of “Drop it!” 12 times (plus, they had to make a clueless bystander clear the scene).
has there ever been a case where the cops gave multiple orders, the suspect died while trying to obey one set but ignoring other(s)…and the cops were blamed and punished?
You brave souls who think you know how it should have gone down-Have you ever been confronted by a scared person shouting and waving a gun in your face? People tend to freeze up in such situations, and the fear tends to override whatever noise is going on. You see death, and whatever you hear only reinforces what you see.
Sounded more like screamed to me. It was so loud the mic on the camera couldn’t deal with it properly. As I said before, the first problem here was the approach taken by the cops. If the very strategy they use for situations like this is one that both conveys AND instills panic, then bad outcomes are, at least in part, a self-fulfilling prophecy. And when they refuse to change their strategy, then that needs to be part of how their actions are evaluated.
Not sure I understand the question. But unless there was video, we would never know about it. My post was not about conflicting orders, but about the aggressive nature and how it might serve to exacerbate an already tense situation.
This reminds me of a joke we used to say when we were playing cops and Robbers when we were kids.
“Don’t move or I shoot! Hands up or I shoot!”
The difference being that even back then as 10 year olds we knew that it was absurd, and back then, whatever the person did, you just pointed your finger and said bang bang, so nobody died.
The guy is black. What else do you expect from Shodan? He’s just another racist asshole, and just loves to troll. The sooner he quits the Dope, the better.
This is true. But given that less than a second after the gun was seen, shots were fired, I’d argue the man was dead the moment the cops showed up, no matter what his actions. If you yell for someone to comply, then fire the moment they DO comply, why the fuck is the next person supposed to follow along?
I think there’s a big problem with the current concept that officer safety - i.e. the officer come home alive - at any, truly any, cost is a huge problem. It needs to change. There needs to be training and a massive culture change to stop the “shoot first, lie about it later, have it whitewashed in the end” sequence we have seen entirely too many times. That said, when the 911 call mentions a gun, used in a threatening manner no less, and that gun is then visible when officers are on the scene, and it is not immediately dropped - I believe any shooting after that is justified. De-escalation in that particular case is clearly, demonstratively and immediately getting rid of the gun. While I believe being a po means accepting a certain risk, it doesn’t include waiting to get shot with a gun you have been informed about and have seen in the control of the suspect.
Now, pepper-spraying, tackling and kicking anyone because of an “aggressive stance” Mayor wants police officer fired over 'outrageous' arrest of teen. means you should never have been a po, should not continue to be one, and never be one again. You probably should also not be around kids. Or pets.