Another group of cops who should be fired as all hell: Cops at far-right rally in sacramento (featuring The Proud Boys, a fascist terrorist group) take off hats for national anthem led by neo-nazis.
Best I can tell, they took their hats off for the national anthem. Not exactly the same as supporting whatever the anthem-singing party stands for.
Yeah, unless they took their hats off for Deutschland Uber Alles I don’t really get the outrage.
It was a tiny group of people breaking out in song off-key. Are you saying that they would do the same for any group?
Seems like a loophole that could be exploited to rob banks. Two or three members of the bank-robbing crew break out into the National Anthem. The cops would have no choice except stand their with their hats off until the song is over.
Sung by a small group of fucking neo-nazis.
If the cops aren’t there to make sure that these terrorists aren’t going to kill anyone, we have a problem. If they are, they have no business joining in.
I think it’s not unreasonable to demand that the police avoid the appearance of being chummy with neo-nazis. Especially given things like Black Lives Matter and, uh, this shit. You treat them like dangerous criminals (because by and large they either are or will be, because they’re fucking nazis). I don’t care if they’re playing the national anthem or hosting charity Barbecue - the cops have no business joining in.
17 or more white cops, and they didn’t just stop what they were doing to supposedly show respect to the national Anthem-They gathered together in what looked like a show of solidarity, unless you can believe that they all happened to be right there in that tiny area when the singing started.
How do they put it? “Avoid even the appearance of impropriety”. Maybe it isn’t cops standing in solidarity with neo-nazis. Maybe it just looks like cops standing in solitarity with neo-nazis, like they often tend to look like. It still looks really bad. And that perception matters.
(Seriously, in clashes between fascists and antifascists, cops consistently and constantly side with the fascists. This is kind of damning.)
When the U.S. Code mentions uniform, it is in the context of a military uniform – not a non-military police uniform. In the matter being discussed, none of the officers got it right.
None of them were properly at attention (have a look at their heels and their arms/hands).
None of them had their hand over their heart and hat at the left shoulder.
Two had their hats on.
One of them was using a smart phone, hopefully for good reason.
My guess it that as desultory their presentation was during the anthem, they recognized that it would not be appropriate to be chatting and strolling about during the anthem, despite it being sung by bad people.
How many of them are fascists I can’t say, but given the behaviour of the police in the USA when compared to other first world nations (not to mention the highest incarceration rate in the world with the possible exceptions of North Korea and China with its re-education camps – sorry folks, but you are not “the land of the free”), I would not be surprised if some of those officers sympathised with the people singing the anthem, but I also would not be surprised of some of those officers were disgusted with the people singing the anthem.
All in all, I don’t think it is a good idea for officers at a tense situation where violence might break out to be grouped together facing the same way. I suggest that they should be keeping any eye on things, not just one thing.
Im not saying that. If I were saying that, I’d, you know, say that. Also, I , of course, have no way of knowing what these guys would or wouldn’t do.
There are so, so many legitimate reasons for outrage over police officers’ (mis) conduct, some of which are outlined in this thread.
To get worked up over this one, we have to impute motive. It doesn’t look great, sure. But it is more likely some knucklehead decided to “show respect” for the anthem, and the rest of ‘m made like lemmings. As some sort of sly show of support it is frankly to subtle.
Saluting when neo-nazis sing is too subtle for you?
Did you see the movie, Taps? During the cadets’ hold out on the campus, every morning the cadets raised the national flag and the cops stood at attention and saluted just like the cadets did. I thought it would’ve been a perfect time to storm the campus; my father thought it was a great display of respect for the flag.
Yeah, I know it’s a movie but lately reality is copying fiction more and more often, and bad fiction too, sadly.*
*I’m not saying Taps is bad fiction.
I’m concerned that the police are increasingly aligned with fascists and neo-nazis. This is another example of that. The crowd contained members of a group (the Proud Boys) which are known to be violent neo-nazis. Again, why the police presence? If it’s for general safety, standing at attention for the anthem kinda defeats the purpose.
Costco shooting’s officer has an “evolving” story:
So I guess his handgun was in his hand all along, right? He didn’t have to waste any time reaching for it or figuring out who was who after being knocked out: just start shootin’!
And wow! How about his kid, the one in his arms? Didn’t the kid smack the ground? Or did he heroically dive under the kid as he fell, cushioning the impact?
:rolleyes:
This smells fishy, IMO. IME, when details start getting added to stories, it’s a flag.
:smack:
Forgot to add this to my last post; I blame my kitchen timer:
The cop was not arrested for this either.
Last night Phoenix Police Chief Jeri Williams, Mayor Kate Gallego and others met with the public at a church to talk about the Barbie Incident and to promise the public that there would be changes. She was not met with enthusiastic support.
The couple at the heart of it all has called for the officers to be fired and spoke last night as well:
Good for them for asserting their right to exist; it’s a shame they have to do it at all, tho.
Talk about giving someone the benefit of doubt. This guy murdered one and seriously injured two others and he gets to walk away for now. If that Costco video doesn’t show all three attacking him, he better land in prison for a long time. :mad:
Yep - those assholes cops should be fucking fired as well. And I say “fucking” because it seems to be the only word these assholes know.
Start by firing the police chief.