Philadelphia cops hassle black kids waiting at a bus stop - 3 minute video.
Guilty of being black. And not respecting his Authoritah!
That’s some grade A bullshit there. And that fucking dildo dressed in blue bragging about how the teen was shaking in the back of his cop car. :mad: Fuck them!
Fucking bully. Big man making a child shake, and proud of it. I’m sure the internal investigation will come up wit the appropriate whitewash, but hope for a different outcome springs eternal. I’m impressed with the other kids calling the cops out and refusing to go on the bus without the detained kid.
Interesting article.
Not particularly, no. The officer had his Tazer in one hand and his radio in the other and was chasing a suspect.
Fortunately at least some of the truth came out - that the 18 year old had fled the scene after the stolen car he was in was pulled over, and that he was a felon in possession of a gun.
My thoughts entirely.
Regards,
Shodan
The cop’s version of ‘the truth’ came out, which is whatever he says it is, since he did not have his body cam on like was supposed to.
Chasing a suspect for riding his bike without a light. I guess it would have been too much to turn the cam on as he got out of the vehicle. Turning it on must be a difficult process.
And he found the time to put his hand on a gun and shoot the kid twice in the head and once in the chest. At least he gets high marks for being a good shot. But then it hard to miss when you are straddling the target.
He was straddling the kid. He was straddling him. How the fuck does that even happen?
We’ll never really know, since his body cam was off and cruiser cam ‘was full’.
The ‘investigation’ consists of asking the cop what happened and writing it down as gospel fact. Because the other witness is dead, and he did not have his body cam turned on.
Although Mount Pleasant Police Sgt. Eric Giese’s body camera was not activated when he shot Ty’ Rese West after a foot pursuit June 15, other officers who responded to the scene did have theirs turned on.
Other officers how up with their body cams already turned on.
No, I don’t think that’s true, unless you have a cite.
I would expect the other people in the stolen car that the suspect fled from were interviewed, and they did find his gun at the scene, and that he was a felon is a matter of public record. The officer’s Tazer had been deployed.
The notion that the only alternative to video footage is to take the officer’s word for it is pretty idiotic. No doubt it’s the best you can do.
Regards,
Shodan
Stolen car? Tazer?
Am I missing something? Because neither of the stories about the shooting of Ty’rese West mention a stolen car or a Tazer. At least, not the stories that have been posted in the last few posts here. Both stories say that he was riding a bicycle.
Trial to start for Georgia cop who shot naked, unarmed man:
But wait! There’s more!
Why respond to the crazy? We people start making up facts then there is no reasoning with them.
It’s Shodan, what do you expect?
The cop who killed Botham Jean goes on trial tomorrow.
That’s because you didn’t read the actual report, instead you are relying on news articles.
I don’t know if it counts as missing anything, but I did some superficial Google-ing and found stories that covered things a bit more completely. But that’s kind of the point.
The narrative as presented of “racist cop shoots kid for driving his bike without a headlight, fascist department takes his word for it and closes the investigation based entirely on that” is not plausible to a neutral or even semi-neutral observer. So a quick search finds facts that are left out. The idea of this thread is to generate maximum recreational outrage, against cops. Anything that would mitigate against that - not gonna get mentioned.
What seems to have happened is, the kid was riding to a party with his friends in a stolen car. The cops pull that car over, and everybody in it takes off running. West himself finds a bike. Maybe it was his bike - I don’t know, but it is unlikely that he just happened to be stopped by the police conveniently close to his own house, or wherever he had stashed his bike. Maybe that’s how it happened, but not likely. So West takes off, the officer in question (who did not know about the stolen car incident) sees West pedaling away without a headlight, calls on him to stop, West doesn’t, the officer takes off chasing him, tries to Tazer him but it is too far away to reach him with the Tazer, then West falls off the bike and pulls a gun, but then drops it. A struggle ensues, as the saying goes, the officer is straddling West trying to step on his hand so West can’t get to the gun he (West) dropped, and is afraid he can’t stop him from getting to the gun. He warns West (we have only the officer’s word for it that he warned West), and then, when West continues to try to get to the gun, shoots him. Then the facts of the stolen car and that West was a felon in possession of a firearm came out later, in the course of the investigation that people claim didn’t happen.
I get that the purpose of this thread is just to generate outrage that Amerikkka is a fascist nation and every black person lives in fear of being randomly shot while innocently riding their bike. And posters are going to ignore or leave out everything that doesn’t work to further that outrage. That’s fine, but it’s also stupid. A narrative that relies on anecdotes and selective perception even of those anecdotes is a stupid narrative.
You can certainly go ahead and scream racism to your little hearts’ content. And I will go ahead and laugh at you to my little heart’s content, where I feel it appropriate. It’s the Pit, after all.
This thread is pointless ritual, the notion that every shooting of every criminal is racist is mindless superstition. Have fun separating yourself from the animals.
Regards,
Shodan
How many cops will instigate a foot chase after a Taser failure for someone riding a bike without a headlight?
Well why the fuck didn’t you provide some links to those stories, rather than introduce new information with no backup evidence whatsoever, you lazy piece of shit?
There were precisely two stories linked about this incident, and neither of them mentioned a stolen car or a Tazer. If you’re going to introduce new information, which I’m always happy to consider in a case like this, it’s incumbent on you to give us a sense of where it comes from. This is particularly important for an asshole like you, because I simply don’t trust you to offer an honest account of these incidents.
Which brings me to…
Emphasis mine.
Once again, you seem happy to uncritically accept the word of a police officer who has killed a guy, and who has failed to activate the one piece of technology that might have provided a clear (or, at least clearer) record of the event. It’s interesting to note that, according to this story, the officer’s own department does not actually require activation of body cameras during pursuits, so at least he didn’t violate department policy. Good for him, I guess. I wonder what possible motive the department might have for such a policy? Can you think of one?
And the cop’s account, which can be found in full in the DA’s report (PDF), is just that: the account of an officer who has killed someone with no witnesses, who has every reason to provide an account that reduces or eliminates his own culpability, and who hasn’t activated his body camera. I concede that much of the account might be accurate, but I’m also not willing to concede that it is the complete truth. The fact that you take it as the unvarnished reality, with no possibility for correction, says much about your moral compass.
Ther fact that you can (presumably) type this with a straight face, while uncritically accepting the account of every officer who kills a suspect with no witnesses and no camera footage, again says a lot about your moral compass.
Go fuck yourself with a cactus, you lying, racist cunt. I started this thread with the aim of having a rational discussion about each and every case, and not jumping to conclusions. I’ve already conceded in this thread, a number of times, that police have acted appropriately, or that I would have difficulty charging an officer with a crime. For one of the very first cases we discussed, the Eric Garner case, I noted that, if I had been on the grand jury, I might have had difficulty approving an indictment of the cop in question.
But you are the mirror image of everything you falsely claim about this thread. You’ll forgive anything, as long as it’s someone you don’t care about (preferably a person of color) lying dead on the street, and as long as the cops are not held accountable for their actions under any circumstances.
Let’s see if any of this is actually true.
So, we can confirm that the cop stopped West for riding a bike without a headlight, thanks for that.
You now confirm that the cop initiated a chase, and attempted to use force against West in order to stop him from getting away from… what… a conversation about bicycle safety?
We do in fact have only the officer’s word on the rest of it because the only other person there is now conveniently dead, and the officer conveniently failed to activate his camera.
Are *you *relying on the police report? Would you mind linking to it? Possible quoting the relevant sections?
Hey, if the article I am relying on is wrong on the facts, well that certainly changes things.
Shodan has said this:
He suggests also that West id not have the bicycle originally and may have stolen it in the moment.
The article says this:
Completely different, right? One of the accounts is wrong. In the article, there is no mention of a taser, there is no stolen car, there no other suspects. And there is no other cop.
If you have something else that backs up this other version, post it, and I will retract. I will say this: “I relied on bad information, and I retract my statements.”
If you cannot post a cite to this alternate version, will you agree that Shodan has posted something that only happened in his mind? He has abandoned facts and backs up his position with a stereotypical racist fantasy.
This article has the officer in question radioing in about a man on a bicycle.
(my emphasis)
So, the Officer’s own words contradict Shodan’s version. He does not mention a stolen car, or a car of any kind. He doesn’t mention any ‘friends’ or other suspects.
So I ask you and I ask Shodan, if you have any basis for this alternate version, please link to it.
Because you know as well as I do that it will make no difference whatever. Anyone who is dumb enough to fall for the “racist cop shoots kid for riding his bike” isn’t going to be willing/capable of comprehending even the fact that the narrative as presented is stupid.
Like I said, you aren’t going to let the facts get in the way of your outrage. That doesn’t mean they aren’t facts - it just means you would rather have your grievance. Have fun with it.
Regards,
Shodan
Please post a link to said facts.