Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread

I agree. It would be nice if the judge weren’t so chummy with the defendant, but I expect a different judge would have OKd the travel too.

Bates is not a flight risk. He will appear for trial, especially since he is more than likely to be acquitted.

Question for our legal folks: IYO, what is the likelihood for a conviction on manslaughter charges? To sustain manslaughter, don’t they (the People) have to show intent? I mean, for it t be manslaughter, he had to INTEND to shoot the victim. Seems like the ‘I got confused and thought I pulled the taser’ will play just as well. Particularly in light of the fact that he is an elderly, poorly-trained wannabee.

I’m not saying he didn’t intend to shoot the victim, I’m just saying it seems difficult to prove when a more plausible explanation is available.

I expect he will be acquitted, then the department will sued into oblivion.

Tulsa County Sheriff’s Department did their own investigation in 2009 that determined that Robert Bates’s training and special treatment were inappropriate.

While I have no doubt that Bates will appear at trial, I doubt that the thought of losing a $25k bail bond would deter him. Murder bails that make the news tend to be in the 100k or million range, and those are for people with no reasonable chance of actually coming up with that kind of money.

I miss the old days when there was not a riot when the cops shot somebody.

Another question for our Legal guys and gals: If someone skips bail, does the government freeze their assets?

I miss the old days when no one had cameras so the police had prettymuch free reign to do whatever they wanted to and could just back each other up with their tailored accounts of what went down.

Not likely to make a difference with the redneck jury he’ll probably get, but how do you think it looks from the POV of the victim’s family and friends? Or even the casual observer…

“Yeah sure, I killed some black guy by mistake. But hell’s bells if that’s going to ruin my vacation in The Bahamas.”

Remorseful, he is not.

The story of Ramsey Orta who took the Eric Garner video

His story that the cops are out to get him has at least some credibility. In former days I would have dismissed that thought pretty much out of hand.

Town where US marshal smashed citizen’s camera rakes in millions from federal forfeiture rules

Yeah, the blacks have really gotten uppity about being murdered by the state lately.

Yeah, I’m not seeing much remorse in his apology:

Gosh, we should feel so sorry about this horrible thing that happened to him. He might even still be feeling bad about this horrible thing that happened to him. But maybe his vacation will help him feel better about this horrible thing that happened to him.

You seriously think that accidentally killing someone would not be a horrible experience?

The shooter of Rekia Boyd doesn’t seem too upset about it.

[Quote=Sterling Brown]
Let us pity Ty Kendricks.
He has been through enough,
Standing there, his big gun smoking,
Rabbit-scared, alone,
Having to hear the wenches wail
And the dying Negro moan.
[/quote]

http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/2013/08/21/poem-of-the-day-southern-cop-by-sterling-brown/

I think that a lot of these cops don’t really see blacks as people. For Bates, he probably feels as bad as if he hit a dog with his car, it’s sad, but no reason to ruin everyone’s vacation.

I like to think that if i really, truly killed someone accidentally, due to a complete and total fuckup on my own part, i would find it within me to convey some of my own shame and horror and regret about the matter in my public statements about the issue.

Nothing wrong with people protesting actions of cops. But sometimes it goes way, way beyond protests.

For example the Rodney King LA riots killed 53 people and injured 2000+. I don’t know how many of those killed were cops or people who worked in government but I don’t think many were.

SF Police are being sued for shooting a man in the back as he ran away. The police claim they shot in self defense as the man was charging at them with a knife which contradicts all available evidence.

It seems to me the punishment for cops found lying in testimony should be especially severe. A huge foundational part of our system of laws is on being able to trust the testimony of cops. All of the recent evidence coming out of cops systematically lying and tampering with crime scenes severely erodes that trust. Good cops are caught in the crossfire when we become automatically suspicious of all cop testimony.

If anything, the events of the past year or so make it clear exactly why things like the Rodney King riots happen. They are no Sui genetics events that you can simply tut-tut and use to blame the black community. They happen because our society is squeezing black people so hard that there occasionally will be an explosion.

Sorry, but there haven’t been any riots in Tulsa, have there? Or is my Google-fu acting up? :confused: