“Doctors make the worst patients, but some believe the converse may also be true − that patients make the best doctors.”
Is the second statement really the converse of the first if it switches “worst” to “best”?
“Doctors make the worst patients, but some believe the converse may also be true − that patients make the best doctors.”
Is the second statement really the converse of the first if it switches “worst” to “best”?
Nope. It’s not really a good fit for that sort of analysis; if we state p: X is a good doctor, and q: X is a good patient, then we can say “if p, then not q”; the closest we can come to the second proposition is “if q, then p,” which doesn’t bear much relationship at all to the first.
Premise: “If you have East Asian genes, your eyes exhibit the epicanthic fold.” (For purposes of this post, never mind whether it is a valid premise, a stereotype, or what.)
Converse: “If your eyes have the epicanthic fold, you have East Asian genes.”
Inverse: “If you do not have East Asian genes, your eyes do not have epicanthic folds.”
Contrapositive: “If you do not have the epicanthic fold, then you do not have East Asian genes.”
A premise and its contrapositive are logically related – if one is true, the other is true as well. Its inverse and converse are also logically related in the same way – each is the contrapositive of the other – and are not logically related to the original premise.
Strictly speaking, the converse would be “Non-doctors are not the worst patients.”
So, to call “Patients make the best doctors” the converse is to assume tacitly that
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[li] to be a non-doctor is equivalent to being a patient, and[/li][li] to be a non-worst-patient is equivalent to being a best-doctor.[/li][/ol]
Another vote for: It’s not the converse, and the concept of “converse” doesn’t even really apply to that kind of statement.
The converse of a conditional statement “If P then Q” would be “If Q then P.” So, you could say that the converse of “If a person is a doctor, they’re a bad patient” would be “If a person is a bad patient, they’re a doctor.” (I hope it’s obvious that the converse is not logically equivalent: just because a conditional statement is true doesn’t make its converse true.)
The inverse of “If P then Q” would be “If not P then not Q.” So, you could say that the converse of “If a person is a doctor, they’re a bad patient” would be “If a person is not a doctor then they’re not a bad patient.” (This is not logically equivalent to the original statement, but it is logically equivalent to its converse.)
Oops. What I gave isn’t strictly speaking the converse. My statement just means the same thing as the converse. Thudlow Boink gave the actual converse.
In the early 1980s, I went to New Orleans. I guess it was the peak of the Urban Cowboy fad, and there were country & western beer halls with mechanical bulls in them. One was selling a bumper sticker, “If you ain’t a cowboy, you ain’t sh__” At the time, I thought the converse might prove it, that is, “If you are a cowboy, you are sh__.”
Years later, I got to know some cowboys, and I know they aren’t.
Now, would microbiologists make the best, or the worst sauerkraut?
The first claim has the form p ==> ¬q. Its converse is ¬q ==> p, which is equivalent to ¬p ==> q. The second claim is that q ==> p. So it is nothing like the converse. Maybe vice versa would describe it better…