Cop Brutality - it's different when its local.

There’s apologists, apologists, and then there’s ducati.

‘Other blows are to keep the subjects arms down and from hitting him’? Are we looking at the same video? You mean, the ‘other blows to the face’ of the guy who was raising his arms in pure self defense? Those ‘other’ blows?

Now you’re just making shit up. At the very start of the video, we see the cop on what looks to be the mike. At 00:07, we see the cop drop the mike. There is nothing to suggest that they’ve already been ‘scuffling for some time’. Are you making shit up just for kicks and giggles?

Oh yes, this cop was really in a life-threatening situation. What a brave soul. :rolleyes:

I’d be interested in your cite for ‘victim wasn’t cooperating’.

I understand the general inclination to want to protect ‘one of your own’, but stop being a first-class douche. Srsly.

I watched the video… their was nothing brutal about that. It was ineffective leading me to believe that 1) he is a LT because obviously he hasn’t arrested anyone in a long time. 2) If that had been a young man and active resister he would have knocked the LT block off… 3) The LT needs to be sent back to the academy for defensive tactics.
He stands right in the guy’s power alley and gets into a shoving match pushing himself off balance again and again. The suspect is a active resister but not an active fighter luckily for the LT. Also… after a certain point you can use Mr taser to get your point across… but only usually if the person is actively resisting and attacking.

Just another example of poor tactics and too much back and forth. After a certain point you have to make yourself clear about what’s going to happen and what is not.

No.

This is simply not an acceptable argument.

There is too much documentation, too much research, too many first hand accounts by police officers, perpetrators, and witnesses, and far too much need to supervise law enforcement officers to allow this argument to stand.

I am as pro-cop as they come. I put law enforcement officers above military on the social totem pole. You want a raise? You got it. You need more benefits? No problem. You want to sit down and tell me about the crap LEOs put up with on a day-to-day, hour-by-hour, minute-by-minute basis? I will buy you a drink and listen as long as you like.

But you do not ever get to pull the “you’re not a cop, so you just don’t understand” argument.

I am capable of understanding that the job comes with pressures few other jobs come with. I totally grasp that there are times when the wrong decision costs a human life or worse. I know that the job takes its toll on mental and physical health, relationships, and ideals. That still doesn’t allow you to say that no one can stand in judgment of you.

Law enforcement officers wield an incredible amount of power - individually and as a class. Law enforcement tends to attract two different types of people - those who earnestly wish to serve society and help people, and those who want to get their hands on that power for their own uses. Those wearing the uniform bond with their fellow officers because they know their lives depend on each other. Without that trust, there is no way an officer can do their job. They have to accept each others’ personal faults and tolerate them, and do everything they can to protect their fellow officers, or it just will not work.

So, it’s unreasonable to expect law enforcement officers as a class to police themselves. A LEO cannot confront their fellow officer and accuse them of misbehavior and then expect that officer to have their back in a risky situation. The officer who steps out of their group to report misbehavior risks being completely ostracized and abandoned by the very people he or she needs to stay alive on the job. It’s human nature. It’s just not going to happen any other way.

That’s why law enforcement must always be subject to civilian review and authority. Every group of people with power must be held accountable to another, or the nature of their power will corrupt their sensibilities and turn them from their duties. Those individuals within the group who resist this will find themselves in just as much danger as someone outside the group.

We are the ones who pay the price when an officer steps outside their role of ‘protect and serve’. We are the ones who are harmed when an officer goes bad or even gets just a little too cynical. So, we are the ones who must supervise law enforcement officers, investigate any act that might appear abusive, and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law those individuals who use their office for their own gain - even if that gain is the chance to wale on someone who ticks them off.

Because what starts with one officer punching a drunken, resistant idiot, if allowed, sets the standards for other officers to take their frustration and anger out on people who can’t fight back, and it escalates from there.

Very well said, phouka.

My favorite part of this thread so far is the sheer number of things that ducati has made up in an attempt to slander or libel the guy who got beat up.

My second favorite part of this thread so far is the sheer number of things that ducati has said in an effort to exonerate the cop who did the beating.

And I don’t care that the job is brutal to your psyche and causes you to make mistakes. You are in a position of authority. We cannot have people as cops who make that sort of mistake. If you are not capable of using the minimal necessary force, then you are no longer fit to be a cop. Mistakes cost lives and pervert justice.

With great power also comes great responsibility. Only the most responsible need to be cops.

Yep - and doesn’t bother coming back after being called on his B.S.

Actually, we haven’t missed this. He’s talking into his mike at the start, and he, the cop, drops the mike to the end of its cord at 0:08.

So, this above comment was probably a waste of electrons.

Yeah, a crash course in siege mentality is what’s required to understand policemen. Otherwise you might see them as they are.

I’ve already fired the missiles – they’re on the way to destroy the officer’s house and kill everyone in his neighborhood.

What’s that? You think there should be some kind of check on my application of violence to “resolve” this situation? Well, you haven’t had any missile training, have you? Don’t judge me.

If you wish to call another poster a douche, take it to the Pit. This is out of line for MPSIMS.

No warning issued.

twickster, MPSIMS moderator

DragonAsh, you should know the rules by now. Do not call others names outside of the Pit.

Apologies; I’ll check the forum next time,

While I generally agree with the rest of your post I would suggest that Ducati has a valid point, unless you’ve ‘been there, done that’, you can’t completely understand a given viewpoint or situation.

I would suggest that the fairest means of maintaining accountibility for law-enforcement officers would be a combination of civilian and police oversight.

As for the O/P it does look pretty bad but things can be difficult to judge without knowing the context of the situation and full knowledge of the facts.

I have. Some cops are wonderful. This guy wasn’t in that category. Not at all.

I think his victim should get to punch him back. Maybe only three punches as opposed to seven but that cop should reap what he sows.