One of our Cops beat the crap out of a guy at one of our nicer restaurants.
Hope they file charges against this cop. The slo mo footage is sickening.
local story. Nine days later he’s still pretty battered.
The newscaster said there were 7 punches to the face in that short time. The guy was just standing there. Never raised his arms at all. Plus they stick him with resisting arrest. He may have been running his mouth but that doesn’t deserve a response like this.
It’s scary to think the cops we depend on to keep us safe have this much pent up violence in them. It’s one of the more exclusive parts of town and a high end restaurant, you expect to be safe. Certainly a high ranking cop (Lieutenant) should know how to control himself.
I guess the resisting arrest charge came when the poor guy collapsed onto the cop from the beating. Geez.
It is remarkable there is no web site dedicate to stories of police misconduct. We should start a Wiki!
Makes me wonder what happens out in the dark where there aren’t any cameras or witnesses.
Hopefully they’ll at lest suspend this cop while they investigate. So far he’s still on duty like nothing happened.
Who was the guy in the horrible leisure suit? Cause, that was a crime.
Who was the guy in the Tshirt that said “Camera Crew” at the end?
I’m not exactly sure about the circumstances. There may have been a private Halloween party in the restaurant’s private dining room. That would fit with the date (October 29). A WAG for sure. 
Found another article. It was a Halloween party. Scroll towards the bottom.
Ferneau used to be Andre’s Restaurant. Andre Simon was the closest thing we had to an Internationally trained chef. Best gourmet dining in the city. Andre’s had a nasty robbery in 1996, four guys robbed the customers and shot/murdered Andre Simon.
One of the nicer parts of the city, but crime happens everywhere.
Ferneau has a good fine dining rep too. They have off duty cops for security. The murder at Andre’s hasn’t been forgotten. My wife and I ate at Andre’s a couple times for our Wedding Anniversary.
Andre’s case.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ar-supreme-court/1020686.html
I understand the default position of many people are anti-cop. This often stems from your own experiences with them, which are generally negative. You got a ticket, you can’t park here, you have to walk over there, DUI, or your sister/neighbor/friend got into trouble some how.
People don’t like to be told what to do. Me neither. I also recognize that being beligerent or uncooperative with LEOs does you no good.
As an ex-cop, my default lies with the cops. No, not always. There are certainly cases of terrible abuse that any cop wants to see dealt with severely. Why? Because when the public doesn’t trust us, our power to help is diminished greatly.
This tape? Like Rodney King*, it’s incomplete and inconclusive. We don’t know the truth of what happened before, I don’t know if the perp spit on the officer, although it’s my WAG that that is what precipitated the blows. It’s probably not how I would have handled it, but just because a cop puts his hand on someone, or hits them with a baton, or strikes them with a hand, doesn’t automatically make it brutality.
When you learn these things in academy, you’ll know. Until then, you don’t know, and you don’t know that you don’t know. I understand it’s a confusing place to be.
Cops don’t just decide in the morning “I’m just going to wail on someone for no reason today and hope someone catches it on tape.” You’re a fool if you think or even say that.
None of us was there, and as such can’t speak intelligently about it until the entire matter is investigated.
I invite everyone to contact their local police or sheriff dept, and request a ride-along. You’ll get an eye-opening experience, and hopefully gain some respect for those men and women that disgust you while they protect you, find your stolen crap, and find the man who raped your family member or stole your kid’s bikes.
There are some very intelligent individuals on this board; you guys blow me away with some of the arcane, or deep scientific knowledge you walk around with in your heads.
That’s why I’m always dismayed to see the knee-jerk reactions that I do when some drunk/criminal decides to screw with a cop & gets cuffed instead of a lolllipop.
If **all **of the evidence points to excessive use of force, I’ll stand with you to indict such an individual. Try and be smart enough to review all the evidence, not just a snippet this guy’s wife put up to gain sympathy.
*Rodney King. 4 people were in his car. 3 complied with lawful commands, and were taken into custody without incident. Not on the 20 seconds you’ve seen, right?
Only King was drunk and combative. One uses that force necessary to gain compliance from the subject. Before you try to argue the point, post your video of you taking a wild subject into custody with tickling and bunnies and let us see how that’s done.
I’ll pass it along the the LEO community, & we’ll all sleep better tonight.
ducati, no one is saying the cops should give him a lollipop. Stop making things up. It’s hard to see what sets the cop off in the video above. The guy definitely isn’t taking a swing at him. He may be resisting a command, and it’s possible he spat at him. Let’s assume that’s the case.
What’s the correct police procedure here? Take him down and cuff him. Punching him in the face a half a dozen times? I guarantee you that is not in the rulebook.
I have respect for police by default too. But I recognize that they are humans, and capable of flaws, and just like every other profession in the world, there are a ton of assholes. The good ones don’t get as much recognition as they should, because no one posts video of the crimes that don’t happen due to police protection.
What I see on this video is a cop losing control and going way over the line. I’m sure that most of the time he’s a good person, and he didn’t wake up that morning planning to do this, but he fucked up, and he deserves to be held accountable.
I think what the cop did was stupid, but not brutality. The guy under arrest seemed drunk, and certainly was not complying. Once someone isn’t complying, you are left with force. Punching someone in the face is a stupid way to apply that force, but ultimately no different than mace or a tazer.
No matter what a cop does there will be someone defending his actions.
But he didn’t just “get cuffed instead,” he got punched, a lot, and then cuffed. And what difference would it make if he had spit on the officer? Am I right in believing that if someone spits on me and I beat the hell out of him, the cops aren’t going to say “Oh, it’s okay if he spat on you,” and let me go scot-free?
See, your saying that is a red flag to me. Nobody thinks cops “decide in the morning” to do those things. It’s pretty clearly a heat-of-the-moment impulse. An impulse everyone is supposed to suppress, especially professionals trained to handle conflict. But you’ve made a little strawman there by implying people think the cop got up in the morning and decided to go hit someone.
Eh, while you have a point in the evidentiary sense, isn’t “you weren’t there, you have no right to speak about it” also universally used as the defense of scoundrels, war criminals, death camp guards, and other bad actors?
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the party?
Please, for the benefit of those of us who have not been initiated into the brotherhood of blue - under what circumstances would this cop’s reaction be considered appropriate use of force for apprehending and controlling the perpatrator, according to police training and procedures?
Because if it’s more than appropriate use of force it is by definition brutality.
I think I would find that the public expects police to have the training and experience to maintain their emotions, and not “go off” on someone just because that person was mouthy, or even spit. If their training does include going off on someone who was mouthy, or even spit on them, then their training needs to be adjusted.
I just wanted to add that I understand cops have a tough and dangerous job. I respect what they do and it’s very reassuring to see a police presence out on the streets.
I agree the guy in this video probably was saying some nasty stuff to the officer. He may have been drunk. I can understand that the officer gets frustrated. I’ll even agree some physical force was possibly needed to make the arrest. We don’t know what happened inside the restaurant.
But, seven punches to the face is excessive. Especially since the guy wasn’t directly attacking the officer.
I’ll update the thread when there’s additional news. So far no action has been taken. The officer is still on duty.
A cop that isn’t a bully is a pretty good cop, I just havn’t met one yet.
As I mentioned before, this is not neccessarily the way I would have done it.
Cops don’t react to words, generally speaking. Call me anything you like. It won’t bother me. It doesn’t bother other officers.
If you spit, you have assaulted the officer. Og only knows what disease, drugs, or contraband a perp has in their mouth. There are plenty of people who think nothing of infecting another person with something, especially a cop. Perhaps he tried to bite the officer. Either way, I would make sure they weren’t able to do that.
It may be that the subject put something in his mouth to hide it from the officer and he saw it.
You can’t just stick your hand in and take it out, and as we all know, folks hiding drugs can be a bit uncooperative with the man when they feel like it.
Looking closely, I only see the officer make contact twice. His other blows are to keep the subjects arms down and from hitting him. Arm strikes, leg strikes, and body strikes are all common and accepted forms of compliance training.
Take a look at 2:02. The cop’s mike is hanging down. This is well before the taped punches, which tells us that they’ve already been scuffling to some extent before taping started. We’ve missed a great deal, and therein lies our problem.
My main point here is to say that you should not judge the situation based on this tape alone. Other things transpired off tape, and some on tape that we can’t see.
A full investigation is warranted, and the appropriate actions should be taken after that.
My other point is yeah, unless you’ve done it, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. JSexton tells us to take him down and cuff him. Fine. Show me how to do that with zero force, and I’ll make you rich.
Dealing with someone disinclined to cooperate because they’re drunk, stubborn, mean, hiding drugs - whatever - while surrounded by a shouting crowd obviously against you, one putting his hands on you, while your microphone dangles out of reach is a dynamic, life-threatening situation which must be dealt with swiftly and surely.
I spent years on a fugitive squad, apprehending the most hateful, violent, pure evil creatures our world has to offer. I’ve been shot at, stabbed, blown up, run over, and more, with the scars and hardware installed to show for it.
We don’t do it for money, or to beat up bad guys. We do it to keep the bad guys from hurting and robbing and raping you.
Perhaps you could wait just a bit and find out the whole story before you crucify Officer Hudson.
I worked store security for several years. I’ve taken down and cuffed dozens of people. Is there some violence involved? Sure. You’re tackling, tripping, and restraining.
BUT - Did I ever throw a punch at someone? Never. Not once. And yeah, I’ve been punched, spat at, bitten, scratched, you name it.
So I’ve done it, and I know what I’m talking about. And again, no one said “zero force” but you. Everyone is saying “reasonable force” or “minimum necessary force” or something similar.
Your post is your cite, I guess.
Anyway, ducati, you are saying that there are occasions when it is acceptable for an officer to punch a man in the face when he is just standing there, making no movements of aggression?
mmm