Cops Kill Innocent Hofstra Student

" The bullet that killed a beautiful Hofstra University student — while the terrified woman was being held hostage by an armed gunman — was fired by a Nassau County cop, authorities said Saturday night.

Officials revealed the tragic twist hours after a hulking career criminal who jumped parole three weeks ago was identified as the ski-mask-wearing assailant.

Ex-con Dalton Smith, 30, was using Andrea Rebello, 21, as a human shield and holding her in a headlock Friday night when he pointed his loaded 9-mm. handgun at a cop, authorities said.

“I’m going to kill her,” Smith barked, according to cops.

A veteran Nassau County officer and former NYPD cop fired eight rounds, with seven striking Smith — and one slamming into Rebello’s head."

So why did the cop fire eight rounds?

To be sure?

Sounds inexcusable to me, but what do I know? I’m just another potential hostage. I’m sure someone will come along and defend the guy.

Because the guy pointed a gun at him or another cop, if the article is correct.

So?

Because that’s how cops are trained I understand. Point their gun at the target and empty it.

The fact that out of 8 shots, 7 hit the target meant that the cop had a clear shot with a minimal chance of hitting the hostage. If he had shot just twice, chances are that both would have hit their mark and the hostage would have been spared.

There’s no way he should have fired 8 times.

Probably because unlike the movies, bad guys don’t instantly explode and go down when you shoot them with a hand gun?

It’s a real tragedy* and I’d support some kind of investigation into whether the cop did the wrong thing but I’m not going to sit on my couch and second guess him.

According to legend, when asked why they fired 130 rounds at Bonnie and Clyde, police answered, “that was all we had.”

*Linguistic purists and drama nerd please pretend I said, “it’s a real sad story.”

Is the assumption here that the 8th bullet killed the hostage? Is there any way to know for sure?

It’s a tragic ending, but who’s to say the criminal wouldn’t have killed her? I’m not sure I see cause for outrage here, based on what I’ve read. But what do I know?

Well, quite. I’d figure the police in that situation would do their damnedest to make sure the criminal was going down for good, because if they left him in the position to make good his threat, the hostage would be just as dead as if they hit her accidentally.

You understand nothing. This is one of the most idiotic statements I’ve ever read.
This is the worst situation for a police officer to face. The criminal MUST be dealt with, and the lives of hostages are of paramount importance. Add to this the stress of an unknown physical and emotional environment, yelling, threatening, an armed criminal refusing legal commands, a screaming hostage and more.

Now, let’s have everyone moving around a bit, searching for cover, yet trying to find a clear shot. It’s a difficult situation, yet one that must be handled immediately.

You ever do it? Of course not.

I’ve done it countless times, and since I wasn’t there to see the situation and the details, I would never presume to judge what another officer did until *all of the facts of the situation are known and investigated.
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Police officers train with firearms to stop imminent threats. While Hollywood would have you believe that a single shot from a handgun round throws the target back through plate-glass windows, Subarus, walls, etc., while exploding the body into a bloody paste, only a child would believe it.

This is simply not possible. That’s not my opinion, it’s an incontrovertible, inarguable fact, provable by simple physics and demonstrated innumerable times.

Handguns - and I’m only assuming that’s what was used - can certainly kill people, and can do so with one shot if that shot is to the brain or brain stem.
Otherwise, you have a wounded person, still capable of returning fire, stabbing, running, fighting, and more. Multiple shots are often necessary to stop an armed or violent offender. Even after being shot 2 to say 20 times, and collapsing to the ground, the individual is often still alive. Not well, but alive.

Police shoot until the threat to life is over. It usually takes multiple rounds. In the time frame that this takes, everyone is moving, and I suspect - but do not know - that the hostage moved into the path of a bullet. It’s the last thing anyone wants, the cops train for it, but it is a huge unknown variable that simply cannot be measured, stopped, or even avoided.

Perhaps instead of making unsupported, cop-hating comments, you should consider the fact that this same officer would come to your trailer park anytime, day or night to protect you from from harm without fail, and without hesitation.

Consider that this officer has just accidentally taken the life of an innocent, beautiful child with her whole life ahead of her 1) while trying to save her, and 2) in front of her twin sister. You think he’s at the bar right now, drinking beer, doing shots, high-fiving the other cops because he did, after all, kill a bad guy?

I promise you he’s not. He’s grieving as much as her parents, under psychiatric evaluation, and possibly considering suicide. I say this not because I know the officer, but because I have seen other officers do the same thing. And kill themselves.
You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
**After **you’ve faced gunfire, and made hundreds of high-risk felony arrests in your law enforcement career, **then **you can speculate on the actions of others before an investigation is complete.

This is a tragic outcome of a situation set in motion by a career criminal with no regard for human life. It is not deserving of your misplaced indignation and obvious low regard for law enforcement.

Man, that’s a lot of baggage to attach to a two sentence post.

unfortunately not Dirty Harry.

That whole post was fantastic Ducati.

Barring some investigation that brings up strange facts not yet known I think you nailed it on the head.

I quoted that part because I’d bet good money it is true. And I have something in my eye.

My life has been a mess and usually has been (and to be honest its usually been my fault when push comes to shove).

ONE thing I’ve always thanked God for almost daily is that I have never accidentally killed somebody. Honestly I don’t think I could live with it.

Well, Der Trihs is someone who posts a ton of short, very stupid things all the time that are grossly offensive. I think most people (like me) gloss over it because we realize the guy is never interested in actually making a good argument to backup his posts like that nor and that really makes him not worthwhile to get too engaged with on most issues. But I don’t see how it’s anything but commendable for someone who actually knows about the subject at hand to correct those kinds of throw away posts that most of us just ignore.

I’m often on the side of police in threads here primarily because 99% of them are news stories that come out before any formal investigation has been done and where we’re relying on often inaccurate media reports about what happened. In cases where police are shown through an investigation to have done bad things, I’m one of their harshest critics. I’m also a critic of how many police departments are run (but think it’s gotten better over time), too many departments seem to hire individuals lacking in professionalism, good judgment etc and who are not good thinkers and are prone to being hot heads–I’m no “general” police fan boy. I just think it’s disgusting how many people will take anti-police bias and use it as an excuse to throw all restraint and common sense out the window.

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I hate to break it to you, but you’re the idiot. First you yell at Der Trihs for simply saying something that everyone who follows the news already knows; and then you go on to restate as your own the very same idea that you yelled at him for saying.

He didn’t post anything grossly offensive, he didn’t even post an opinion.

I hadn’t realized that Speed was used as a training video for hostage situations. :frowning:

No, if you don’t see the difference between “point and empty your gun” versus what Ducati said you should probably consider that you aren’t able to distinguish two very different things.

Firstly, I didn’t say his post here was grossly offensive. I was talking about his posts in general and how I think he regularly gets a pass on all manner of bad posts because he has so many of them people are too bored with it to call him out.

In this post he did not post an opinion, but he did post a blatantly incorrect fact that is insulting to police officers. Namely that they are trained to just mindlessly empty a clip into a target. That’s not how they are trained, and while it is a common problem in the rare situations where officers do fire their weapon every bit of training literature I’ve ever read highlights that sort of behavior as a problem that training should try to correct. Der Trihs post was blatantly wrong, it was an inaccuracy.