Copyright information that does not have anything to do with the "situation"

Hi, I was reading the topic about copyright violations, and the whole soap opera was very ummm, “interesting”
anyway, I thought a truly interesting question that deserves an answer was lost in the melee.

I thought this was a good question, and I hope I hope I am not breaking any rules by bringing the topic back up.

pat

As a teacher, I photocopy a lot of stuff, and have never once been called on it by school officials or anybody else. Frankly, I have made an effort NOT to be informed about copywrite law. All I gain by asking is the chance that I might have my copying activities curtailed. I do however put myself in the position of the authors and ask myself if I would object to someone doing the same with my creations. For example, if I copy a poem from a collection, I am, if anything, helping to promote the sale of that book in the same way that radio stations promote whole albums, by playing one song. Clearly, copying the whole book would be wrong (and labor intensive).

I seem to recall hearing around the office that in an excerpt the guideline is 10%=fair usage.

Anyone heard this ?

on the other hand, at my college-area Kinko’s several years ago, the clerks would often refuse to copy copyrighted matieral.

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I’ve known Kinko’s to be hesitant too. I did a presentation for my Introduction to Mythology course. It was about comic books being a type of postmodern American mythology. I wanted a color transparency made from a page of an Incredible Hulk comic book. They copied it for me but only after they asked what it was for and theh they made me sign a release-type-thing.
Alphagene

The 5-7 paragraph question sounds like a good one to me.
The important thing to remember about fair use, is that it is an excuse to copyright infringement. If you are saying that what you did is a fair use, you are implicitly stating that you have infringed a copyright, but that you have a legal excuse.
The better question, is whether copying 5-7 paragraphs is a reproduction of the work. I would bet that if it is a long book, copying a few paragraphs is not a reproduction of the work. If I turned out to be wrong, however, I would turn to the fair use provisions and try to argue that my infringement was excusable. Fair use is seductive, but as a legal argument, it starts you from a weak position. It is much safer to begin arguing that you have not infringed.
Papabear, school teachers tend to get quite a break from copyright law. Even Congress realizes you don’t get much money for materials to teach. Just don’t get carried away and copy everything in sight.

I wanted a color transparency made from a page of an Incredible Hulk comic book.

That may have been because of the artwork. I may be wrong, but I believe that pictures are handled by different legal principles than text, and have much more stringent regulations about their reproduction.

Wow, thanks, Pricciar. Now I am getting somewhere at least with my question. Now I have a different one.

Does anyone know of a source of uncopyrighted material, where we would not have to worry about the question in the first place?

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What is the difference between a copywright infringement and plagarism? Is it simply passing work off as your own? What benefit does the use of proper citations and references provide? If you use a clip of work and cite it and properly credit it do you alter the copywrite restrictions? I’ve always beeen encouraged to copy quotations and citations from books and copywrited texts in my papers and research. Why is this not copywrite infringement?


The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is
yours to draw…

Omniscient; BAG

“I’ve always beeen encouraged to copy
quotations and citations from books and copywrited texts in my
papers and research. Why is this not copywrite infringement?”
Copyright does not restrict use of material for educational use.

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Does anyone know of a source of uncopyrighted material, where we would not have to worry about the question in the first place?
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That’s easy enough. Use works that are in the public domain.

See http://www.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html .

Actually, copyright DOES restrict educational use of material – but educational use DOES weigh in favor of “fair use”. An instructor who distributed scanned copies of a text book to his class would be making “educational use”, but still clearly be in violation. On the other hand, if the same instructor excerpted a poem from a larger text as an example to the class, he would be OK; but an anthologist who copied this same poem to put it into his book (without permission) would not be OK.

As far as I know, no handy-dandy guidelines are recognized. The courts get to weigh many factors, and then they make a judgement call.

The following is taken from [italic]Playboy v. Frena[/italic], the cite of which escapes me at the moment but which was posted by Suzeanne at the end of the first UFO thread:

Note that the defendant in this case, Frena, was the operator of an online bulletin board, and he was being held liable for the posting of infringing works on that board by subscribers to it.

Someone above suggested that 10% would be fair use; while that might be a rule of thumb for some folks (I express no opinion one way or the other), note that the court has

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on the other hand, at my college-area Kinko’s several years ago, the clerks would often refuse to copy copyrighted matieral.


My brother used to work at Kinko’s, and he said they got sued for reproducing copyrighted material. He said they would then say “I can’t copy that, but we have self-serve machines over there.”

Harvey: the local Kinko’s has a sign prominently posted which states “the person using the copy equipment is liable for violations of copyright law.” They’re apparently not adverse to making money from someone else breaking the law, they just don’t intend to get sued themselves.

Dover Books publishes a large amount of copyright free material.

Write to
Dept. 23
Dover Publications, Inc.
31 East 2nd street
Mineola, N.Y. 11501

Monty sed:
>Harvey: the local Kinko’s has a sign
>prominently posted which states “the person
>using the copy equipment is liable for
>violations of copyright law.” They’re
>apparently not adverse to making money from
>someone else breaking the law, they just
>don’t intend to get sued themselves.

Strange. Once I went to Kinko’s to scan a picture of a ship my former company helped engineer 40 years before. But because the photographer stamped his name on the back, I couldn’t scan it. (Never mind that the photographer was out of business and probably dead.) My solution was to photocopy the picture, then have them scan that.

Project Gutenberg at http://promo.net/pg/ has oodles of public domain works in electronic format. Definitely worth checking out if you need some non-copyrighted material (actually, a lot of it was originally copyrighted, but the copyright has now expired).

There tend to be a lot of misconceptions about copyright. For instance:

Radio stations pay for the privilege of playing that song. And copyright law give the copyright holder full control of any copies made; technically, you do need to ask permission. What can happen depends on what the copyright holder wants to do – you can be sued for damages, but it may not be worth the effort to track you down and take you to court.

There is no definitive guideline for fair use. It has to be determined on a case-by-case basis, considering all the factors involved.

Plagiarism is claiming another work as your own. If you retyped another persons article in its entirety and put your name on it, you’d be guilty of plagiarism (as well as copyright infringement). You can take short parts of other people’s work and use it in your own under fair use; just how much depends on who wants to push the issue. Since copyright infringement is a civil offense and not a criminal one, it’s up to the copyright holder to decide whether to sue you and the court decides whether your usage was more than fair use.

J.D. Salenger, for instance, got a court to agree that the publication of any portion of his personal letters was not fair use under copyright law.


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