If I were positive, I’d be delighted to have the opportunity to stay away from my loved ones until I were well. And if I had a government I had reason to trust, it wouldn’t be detention in any way, shape, or form.
This thread has gotten off track. It’s supposed to be for breaking news on Covid, but it’s turned into an opinion thread on why people should or shouldn’t get tested. I would suggest that the opinion / debate be moved to a separate thread so that this one can remain dedicated to breaking news.
That’s fair. Sorry for my part of the derailment.
Yes, you’re absolutely correct. 
It’s hard to contain feelings, but those expressions belong in another thread. My apologies.
Well, you certainly wouldn’t need a government to give you that ‘opportunity’. I’m not really sure how that has any relevance at all.
Sure I do. I can’t afford a hotel for two weeks, and once there I would need food delivered. Also, staying at a random hotel would be risking the health of the people there, if ventilation was shared or whatever. Much better in a hotel set up for people with COVID. I would also appreciate organized monitoring of my health, so if I take a turn for the worse, I don’t die alone.
There is a lot to be said for supporting comfortable, competent isolation.
Eta: this is also not breaking news. My apologies. @SayTwo, feel free to start a new thread if you want go discuss this.
A study just came out saying that asymptomatic people have similar amounts of viral load as symptomatic people:
They say it’s not clear how many people get infected from an asymptomatic person. Although the person is not expelling massive amounts of virus by coughing and sneezing, they aren’t staying home in bed like a symptomatic person would be. But it is an example of why it would be beneficial to have testing available for asymptomatic people.
I wholeheartedly agree with this in principle, but many–maybe even most–people need to have evidence they’re positive in order to adjust their behavior. Case in point: boyfriend of a friend felt unwell (sore throat, cough, fatigue, and lost his sense of taste and smell. The boyfriend is an EMT, but they don’t wear full PPE unless the patient has COVID symptoms, and he was unmasked in social situations with other people who were unmasked. Friend was worried, but a nurse assured her that people lose their sense of taste and smell when they have a cold, so he probably just had a cold. Friend was relieved and didn’t get tested. I assume the bf did, but if so, they don’t have results back yet.
We humans are just too damned good at convincing ourselves of what we want to be true.
U.S. hits 5 million cases today. Anyone have the numbers of how long it took to reach the 1st million, the time between the 1st and 2nd million, the time between the 2nd and 3rd million, the time between the 3rd and 4th million and the time between the 4th and 5th million cases?
19,257,723 total cases
717,687 dead
12,357,655 recovered
In the US:
5,032,179 total cases
162,804 dead
2,576,668 recovered
Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:
The world went over 19,000,000 total cases today; it will go over 20,000,000 on Sunday 9 August.
First US reported case - 21 Jan
US hits 100 cases [this is taken as Day 0 by John Hopkins]
1 Million - 28 April - Day 55 [55 days for 1 million cases]
2 Million - 10 June - Day 98 [43 days for 1 million cases]
3 Million - 8 July - Day 126 [28 days for 1 million cases]
4 Million - 23 July - Day 141 [15 days for 1 million cases]
5 Million - 7 August - on the JH site we are just shy of 5 million on Day 155 [lets say 15 days for 1 Million cases]
As your fearless leader says, it is what it is.
He gets that a lot, does our John.
What (if any) has been the effect of trump ordering hospitals to stop sending reports to CDC and send them to… where, exactly? It seems like good numbers are still available from Johns Hopkins-- where do they get their numbers?
Sorry, I’m having a hard time keeping up with all the potholes in the road.
(from a week ago. might be better now)
You’re an optimistic sort.
A roll out of a massive system change is always going to have some bumps. I have no doubt it has improved some. But this was definitely a “you don’t change horses midstream” situation so it’s pretty inexcusable regardless.
YES. It’s as simple as that.
But it’s not all-or-nothing. I eat face-to-face with my husband and daughter. If I thought I had it, I would be isolating from them.
Yesterday I took my mom to see her doctor. She needed to see the doctor, and isn’t capable of going on her own. So somebody had to take her. There wasn’t a “no risk” solution, because anyone might have it. I took as many precautions as I could. I wore all clean clothes as I left my house, wore my best (KN90) mask, didn’t get any closer to her than I needed to, and didn’t breathe towards her.
But if I thought I had an active case, I would have refused to take her, and insisted she find someone else to bring her to the doctor.
There is a middle ground between “I will do whatever I want, you can’t stop me”
And “Government detention centers”
And that is what most countries who have controlled the virus reasonably well are doing. In Canada if you test positive for Covid, you are REQUIRED to self-isolate according to health guidelines published by the Provincial Health Office. Most people follow these clear and published rules,which in current provincial emergencies, have the force of law. No “government detention centers” needed, as the vast majority of people follow the law.
It’s simple. It’s a public health emergency.