Coronavirus COVID-19 (2019-nCoV) Thread - 2021 Breaking News

Of course it’s not as good. But there’s a wide excluded middle between “not as good” and “irreparable harm.”

We are an adaptable species, currently adapting to a pandemic. Which, in case you’re unaware, we have done before (see: bubonic plague, cholera, smallpox, polio). For most of these we couldn’t get out of the way fast enough to avoid harm as much as we are right now, but the number of enduring and significant deep social changes that resulted from just the bubonic plague, cholera, and malaria alone are staggering. Look into the way we changed how we access water once we learned how cholera circulates.

Though here’s a sort of a counterargument: “CHOLERA FORCING” The Myth of the Good Epidemic and the Coming of Good Water - PMC

Yeah, speaking of which, I didn’t say “irreparable” nor Boppity’s choice of “grave”.

You said it would screw up some kids for a long time. I sincerely doubt it will screw up many kids for even a short time. In little bands of hunter gatherers there may not have been other same-age children at all, and I bet those kids learned to make facial expressions from doing so with their parents and other “authority figures”. Plus, kids are on zoom and watch TV and stuff. And outdoors they can talk to other kids they aren’t close to.

What’s a short time to you? I think they will have a couple years of catch up. I consider that long for a child under 6.

I doubt many kids will be screwed up at all.
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As phrased, I totally agreed.

The kids most harmed are those who have a miserable home life mitigated when they spend most of the day in school, and after-school activities,

Closest analogue to COVID is Spanish Flu. I don’t know that much of anything was actually learned from that. I may have missed something, however.

As the paper says, societies can certainly fail to meet many challenges again and again. Famine, drought, pestilence, you name it.

I suppose, maybe, we’ll learn to respond more quickly. Like New Zealand. We certainly could get closer. I’m unconvinced we’ll do any better. I don’t think we’ll learn.

Plus, the masks and social distancing required to mitigate the pandemic have potentially negative downstream affects on society in their increase in isolation. I suppose we could compensate for that. Don’t know if we will in the short run, or even the long run.

Lots of people suffered psychological damage from growing up during WWII living in one of the combatant countries. Oddly enough society continues today in all those countries.

Was/is WWII or COVID a durn shame compared to a nicer friendlier world where those things never happened? You bet.

Is it beyond collective human coping to deal with these challenges? Not even remotely.

We will adapt and (mostly) overcome. As we always do.

129,472,290 total cases
2,828,157 dead
104,426,372 recovered

In the US:

31,166,344 total cases
565,256 dead
23,673,462 recovered

Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:

My grandmother always boiled any water she would drink or use in cooking. If you gave her water from a tap she would set it aside until it was boiled.

A follow-up:

But the news isn’t all bad today:

Yeah, I posted a link to an article about the last of those

And yes, excellent Pfizer news today.

I can’t believe they didn’t catch the wrong ingredient error in the J&J vaccine until after 15 million doses were affected.

If one batch is 15 million doses then it is entirely believable. It’s not like they are mixing one dose at a time.

1 dose is 1/2 of a mL. So 15,000,000 doses = 7,500,000 mL = 7,500 L = very roughly 2000 gallons of vaccine as a finished product.

Not knowing how much dilution is done during production, they may well have only screwed up 2, 20, or 200 gallons of active ingredient.

130,225,240 total cases
2,841,223 dead
104,931,613 recovered

In the US:

31,244,639 total cases
566,611 dead
23,754,391 recovered

Yesterday’s numbers for comparison:

I have very little trouble recognizing facial cues with masks. I don’t think I’m extraordinary in this respect. The eyes seem to be enough for me.

Well, that’s simply ridiculous. You aren’t a child learning to socialize.

Maybe kids who see a lot of people in masks will develop better skills at reading faces.
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I really don’t think it’s going to make a huge difference for most kids. They’ll all see their parents unmasked. They’ll probably all see people on TV, too.

The fact that social distancing makes it easier for shitty abusive parents to hide the abuse from outsiders is likely the biggest problem for kids. But i know that social workers are still going into the homes of foster kids to monitor stuff. And teachers now get to see the parents interact with kids, too. It’s not as if we’ve completely removed all barriers to abuse.