Could science go too far and destroy the world?

I admire scientific progress when its used for the good. Ex. alternative sources of energy, methods of curing disease, or methods to grow more food.

But at the same time I wonder if its possible that some group of scientists somewhere could somehow create a weapon that could destroy the earth?

Examples:

  1. A cobalt thermonuclear mega bomb.
  2. A genetically engineered disease.
  3. A super intelligent computer system.
  4. Nanotechnology

Who would have thought even 50 years ago a few dozen middle eastern terrorists could have pulled off 9/11?

What then could a few dozen scientists do with todays advanced scientific resources do?

This site: Yes, One Person Could Actually Destroy the Worldtalks about such things. A quote from a senior Pentagon official: “Somewhere in the back of my mind I still have this picture of five smart guys from Somalia or some other non-developed nation who see the opportunity to change the world. To turn the world upside down. Military applications of molecular manufacturing have even greater potential than nuclear weapons to radically change the balance of powers.”

It’s scary stuff. I know when they were building the first atomic weapons many scientists wondered about where nuclear energy could go and if they indeed were working on something which could destroy the world.

And the scary part is I really dont see any of the world military’s or intelligence communities readying themselves to stop just such an event because many times indeed those host countries are developing just such technology.

What do you all think?

Science won’t.

People might.

I’m scared of nanotechnology too.

If you can’t see it, you don’t know what it’s up to.

Nanotechnology is (IMHO) a dead end.
What you should really be worrying about is biological engineering.

Well that also covers radiation, pollution, “germs” and whatever the hell is going on inside people’s heads at any given moment.

Depends upon what you mean by “science” and “the world”.

A lot of times the world seems to be synonymous with “human civilisation” which is a bit of a stretch. Perhaps all of the human race. Then one can extend things to “all life”. But this still isn’t “the world” as in “the planet”.

We probably have the capability already in terms of nuclear weaponry if used with some planing and care to wipe out all of civilization, and maybe down to the entire human race, but that would take some effort.

About out best bet for a really good bit of obliteration would be to start work on steering an Earth grazing asteroid onto a solid collision path. Even then we would not manage to wipe out all life. Might set things back a few hundred million years. Give the cephalopods a crack at being the next master species. (I for one welcome our tentacled overlords.)

But could scientific efforts give birth to a capability that would allow a single deranged person to wipe out the world - at any definition? Probably not within our current imagination of feasible things." Not even 12 Monkeys style. The world is a big place, and humans very diverse and populous. That is where the real threat is. Malthus tends to suggest how things might go pear shaped, and scientific advances in health and general exploitation of resources are the keys.

Which brings us back to PatrickLondon’s point. People are the problem.

“Science” has never dropped a nuclear bomb or blown up a building. Those are actions taken by people. Science is a tool. Like all tools, it can be used for good, evil, or anything in between. Blaming science for bad things that happens is like blaming the manufacturer of airplane engines for 9/11.

We are not even remotely close to being able to destroy the planet. The best plans we could implement now for that, even if we were actually trying for it, would take thousands of years. By which time we’d probably have more efficient ways of doing it, but that’s not relevant now.

We could make a credible attempt at destroying the entire human species, but even there, we’d be unlikely to succeed. There are just too many of us, spread out over too much of the world, in too many environments and ways of life.

We could definitely destroy human civilization if we wanted to, and might even end up doing so without intending to. But one hopes not. And if we avoid that fate, it’ll be through science, as well.

Science is a tool, and I believe it is usually the best method to accomplish a goal, whether that goal is ‘minimizing human suffering’, or ‘atomizing humans into stuffing’. As to what the goals should be – I think we’d have to turn to other disciplines.

This.

I hate when people demonize “science”. You may as well demonize religion - after all, religion is killed a lot of people.

Wait. Nope. I was wrong. People have killed people.

Since this requires speculation, let’s move it to Great Debates.

Colibri
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In a metaphysical way it already has. If you think of the world as human civilization it has been altered so drastically since the Industrial Revolution that it would be almost unrecognizable to someone from as little as 250 years ago. While there would definitely be fragments they would know (like a few buildings in their hometown, say) and they could probably make do, that is more testament to human adaptability than anything else.

Personally, I worry less about the Bang! and worry more about the whimper… I suspect we will be decimated by something like Nature run amok than man made, per se.

I would also point out that the greatest environmental crisis we are facing requires no science beyond what was discovered leading up to the industrial revolution. Namely the ability to burn down forests and dig up coal.

Improvements in technology are more likely to end up helping avoid this crisis than they are to add to it.

If I was going to try and destroy the earth id drill a series of well bores about 15,000-20,000 ft deep around the equator at maybe 3-5 mile spacing. Then I’d put the largest nuke I could in each one. I know there is some science to blast sequencing so that you can cut a line between the bore holes. I’d set the nukes off in that pattern. I don’t know if I’d succcessfully cut the Earth in half but that is the only way I can come up with to destroy the planet

All you would achieve would be a massive explosion that went right round the Earth’s crust. Impressive, but as close to splitting the Earth in half as zesting a lemon is to slicing it.

Why? GMO foods ain’t really all that scary, though there might be some environmental reasons to be cautious about them. Or are you thinking of military applications, genetically-engineered plagues/bioweapons?

Do you have any sources or reasoned arguments for your position whatsoever? “Machine phase chemistry” is a hugely complex endeavor to get working, but existing models of molecular dynamics all say it’s possible, and basic science experiments have demonstrated at least the primitive steps are feasible. (molecular motors, logic circuits, and vacuum chemical reactions have all been demoed in various experiments)

Sure, you’re not going to get useful results anytime soon - you’re talking about building (tethered) robotic systems capable of manufacturing things, and the ultimate goal of self replication means you have to somehow design tens of thousands of robotic systems that produce all the required parts. You would need procedural design software for this and possibly decades of R&D.

But calling it a dead end sounds pretty ignorant. “meh, fission reactions are a dead end” is what I’m hearing from you. To show it is a dead end, you need to show me, with cites :

a. The laws of physics deny vacuum chamber machine phase chemistry. “machine phase” means that instead of relying on statistics, you control the position and orientation of reacting species. “vacuum chamber” just means it happens in what it sounds, instead of aqueous solution.
OR
b. It isn’t impossible, but it is so incredibly difficult that human beings will not accomplish it in any feasible timespan. There isn’t, say, a way to build a prototype assembly system that makes one simple product, and develop a software package that auto-designs an assembly system to make a similar product, and thus reduce the complexity problem to something manageable…

As a doomsday weapon, machine phase systems could be bad, but all the plans to build them include

a. Requiring a clean vacuum for all the functional parts. These kind of nanotech systems will be required to stay in a vacuum chamber their entire functional lives, from creation to wearout. This is because even the tiniest contaminant would disrupt their operation or cause failure
b. Don’t store the blueprints for a system on a computer that isn’t itself a macroscale system - easy to smash with a hammer. This is to prevent uncontrolled self replication no matter what.

There are engineering reasons for (a) and (b), so someone would have to go enormously out of their way to build a system that can function in the dirty natural world. I’m not sure it’s even possible. But if it is, yeah, “living” self replicating robot systems that are made out of diamond and run off sunlight would be able to grey goo the planet. It is unlikely that anything in the natural world would be able to compete because intelligent design actually is a far better solution than evolution.

This kinda jumps out at me for some reason. Americans of 50 years ago, i.e. 1965, could easily remember the kamikaze attacks of 20 years earlier and maybe even that day in 1945 when a fog-confused bomber crashed into the Empire State Building. Granted, Middle Eastern malcontents would not have been on anyone’s radar, but the technological aspects of such an attack were well established even then.

Some think it already has. That with climate change we’ve pushed past the tipping point.

Well, nanotech is not necessarily a dead end, but it has been overhyped.