Here’s the problem with the OP’s quoted premise. Even supposing a huge EC revolt they would go with another Pub like Ryan or Cruz or even Pence so no way Clinton gets a majority. At best it goes to the House and she has no chance.
As bad as they are, would not Cruz or Ryan be better than Trump?
First of all, it’s spelled “electoral,” not “electorial.”
Second, remember that, while the vote is in December, they aren’t counted until January 6, at which time votes can be challenged by the newly-elected Congress, which begins its term three days earlier. If a “red state” decides to “turn blue,” it would almost certainly be challenged, and as both the House and Senate will be controlled by Republicans, the challenge would probably succeed.
Thank you for that information … The electoral college meets December 19th in the capital of the state they vote in, right?
At that time it would be known to someone, the governor of that state perhaps?
So the governor would have to either be in on it or at least report it to someone?
Can the January 6th count be in secret or fast tracked?
Can we go ahead and say this is impossible to delay the final outcome with the new US Congress meeting January 3rd, 2017 then, because their is no way anyone in the GOP Congress or Senate would be in on it, right?
It IS over. Just like it was over when all my “liberal” friends went to bed hoping for a miracle when they woke up. It.Is.Over.
Worried over Roe/Wade? Gay marriage? …even ACA being gone (which will certainly happen)
Take to the fucking streets. Protests in every major city will bend them to your will. Strike. Boycott. Use your power. OR…sign some useless fucking internet petitions and play the blame game for four years.
No. Not at all better. Ryan, possibly, but as bad as Trump may be, Cruz is a proven worse thing than Trump.
Almost any scenario is mathematically possible… but in terms of realistic discussion, my sense is that it’s highly unlikely for sufficient electors to defect in order to change the result that Trump is in.
But if you’d like detail about the process…
Each state governor (or his designee) prepares seven original Certificates of Ascertainment and two certified copies. A Certificate of Ascertainment lists the names of the electors and the number of votes they received; separately lists the names of all other candidates for elector and the number of votes received; is signed by the Governor; and carries the State seal. One of the seven and the two certified copies are sent by registered mail to the Archivist of the United States, one David S. Ferriero, who has served in that role since 2009.
States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors by December 13th if they wish to enjoy the federal “safe harbor” period, wherein their result are presumed valid by Congress.
After ensuring that the documents are legally sufficient, the Office of the Federal Register is given one and the other two are provided to the House and Senate respectively.
The state keeps the other six for use during the meeting December 19, 2016. The date is mandatory, but each state can designate the place at which the electors meet. On the 19th, the electors cast their vote for the President and Vice President.
The voting results are recorded on six original copies of a Certificate of Vote, which will contain two distinct lists, one for President and one for Vice President; a list all persons who received electoral votes for President and the number of electors who voted for each person; a list all persons who received votes for Vice President and the number of electors who voted for each person; and be signed by each elector.
Each Certificate of Vote is then paired with one of the remaining Certificates of Ascertainment, and each is then sealed and certified by the electors as containing the list of electoral votes of that state for President and Vice President.
The six are then sent out to: one for Joe Biden, in his capacity as President of the Senate; two for David Ferriero; two to the Secretary of State of the state; one to the Chief Judge of the Federal District Court located where the electors met.
The statutory deadline for those officials to receive the electoral votes is December 28, 2016. The Archivist and staff from the Office of the Federal Register meet with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House shortly thereafter – before January 3rd, in any event – to convey the states’ electors’ votes.
On January 6, 2017, the new Congress officially tallies the votes in joint session.
The Vice President, again in his capacity as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote and which person has been elected President and Vice-President respectively.
If a State submits conflicting sets of electoral votes to Congress, the two Houses acting concurrently may accept or reject the votes. If they do not concur, the votes of the electors certified by the Governor of the State on the Certificate of Ascertainment would be counted in Congress.
If no Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution provides for the House of Representatives to decide the Presidential election. If necessary the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each state having one vote.
If no Vice Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment provides for the Senate to elect the Vice President. If necessary, the Senate would elect the Vice President by majority vote, choosing from the two candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each Senator having one vote.
(some of this content is copy-paste from www.archives.gov)
Thank you Bricker for going to the trouble to do that … a real involved process you have presented makes it seem impossible to change the results of this election.
Like in the game of poker I for one will have to say “win or lose” I am all in … :smack:
Fox news article: (no link due to rules)
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Is Dorothy singing some where over the rainbow or what?
So… what you’re saying is that people who condemned Trump for not pledging to respect the election results are trying to void the election results?
I’m not saying that … they are, uh? Bad losers true, but what if Hillary had of won?
Would Trump supporters be trying to reverse the voting process by offering to pay the fines of the voting electors?
What do these rebels need now some 31 votes to subtract from Trump and add to Hillary?
Five (5) weeks from today the electors vote in their state capitols … when do we the public get to find out if any of the electors went rouge and voted for the democratic party?
post 27 answers a lot about the process except when will the poop hit the fan.
January 6, and the vote count will almost certainly be on every cable news channel in the country. Certainly, C-SPAN will cover it, as it is part of a joint session of Congress.
However, I do not know if the names of any unfaithful electors are ever made public. All they have to do is announce the vote counts.
At the same time that the Angles of Satin rise from the bowels of hell, I’d say.
Satin is very flammable, I’d have thought something asbestos-y would be better. 
BY the morning of December 20th.
If one or the other had been duly elected, yes. Since they have not, no.
Regards,
Shodan
I think a lot of news trucks with camera’s and microphones and satellite feeds will be in someone’s front yard when the news breaks.
Just happens to be a Tuesday morning (6) weeks after the election … I wonder if President Obama will return from his vacation in Hawaii early?
Surely at least one elector will sense that his or her duty to cross the party lines. Hillary needs 37 more to Trump’s 37 less votes by the latest count …
A lot of the meetings will be televised on C-SPAN (not necessarily live since they’ll overlap). Many states will also stream the meetings online, on whatever site they use to show legislative sessions. They’ll read the results right then and there, as it happens. You can probably go to your state’s meeting if you’d like. I went to mine in 2012 and there were maybe six other people, with plenty of empty seats.
As frightened as I am of Donald Trump, the prospect of the most important democracy on the planet deciding to overturn two centuries of Constitutional convention and spring a surprise reversal of the understood result of the election would be incredibly devastating. It would be a cure potentially a hundred times worse than the disease.
Simply telling sixty million people “Your candidate won, but, nah, a bunch of people appointed to do what has been understood to be a ceremonial job since before your grandparents were born have decided against it” would result in civil unrest the likes of which have not been seen in the USA in a hundred years.