So if one illegal immigrant was involved in one political protest at any time before the election, the government’s failure to launch an investigation into this constitutes treason? And this is somehow comparable to a large-scale effort coordinated and funded by a hostile government, an effort which included multiple direct meetings with senior members of one side’s campaign team and funnelling substantial sums of money to that campaign in return for a significant relaxation of sanctions against that government once the supported side came to power?
Once again, I don’t have hard numbers but looking at the scale of anti-Trump protests in states with large number of foreign nationals, residing in the US unlawfully (ie, criminals), it is doubtless that there was more than one foreign criminal participating in more than one protest, trying to illegally influence US elections.
In order to answer your question and ascertain the foreign influence in this case, an investigation into anti-Trump protests would have to be launched, illegals aliens (ie, criminals) who participated in them, identified, interrogated, with the goal of ascertaining the extent of their illegal interference in the elections. Indictments would naturally follow.
AFAIK, no such investigation occurred.
Can you cite the law that these illegal aliens would be violating? Hint: there is no law prohibiting someone who is in the US (whether legally or illegally) from participating in political activity, in general.
Entering US illegally is a felony, punishable by criminal fines and/or imprisonment (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)
Hardly anyone doubts that the criminals, who entered US illegally, participated in mass protests against immigration proposals by one of the US Presidential candidates.
An investigation, to ascertain the extent of their influence on the outcome of the elections, was never launched.
And it is certainly a fact that they influenced the elections. Personally, I was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but seeing CNN broadcast day after day protests, where, it is highly likely, illegal aliens (ie, criminals), participated, without any investigation in this foreign influence on the US elections, made me change my mind and I subsequently voted for Donald Trump. A number of my acquaintances had similar experience.
That’s got to be the most bizarre justification I’ve ever heard for voting for Trump. “There were probably criminals in the demonstrations against him, this is foreign influence on the election*, therefore we decided we had to support him.”
*Note: comparing a handful of illegal immigrants taking part in a mass protest to a concerted propaganda campaign by a foreign government is phenomenally wrong. That’s not what we’re talking about. That’s not even in the same ballpark. It’s not even close to related. Please find out what the conversation is about before taking part in it.
When Il Douche tells you that he lost the popular vote because of three to five million illegal votes, you buy that? Because you seem to be edging in that direction but are a bit coy about it…
How do we know there was a “handful” of foreign criminals taking part in a mass protest? What is this “handful” anyway? 1? 10? 1000? 10000? Is there a numerical boundary below which foreign criminals should be allowed to influence US elections?
How do we know their actions were not a part of concerted campaign by a foreign government?
When a long-eared baboon told you if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor, you bought that?
This is NOT the type of discourse I want to engage in, but I certainly can, if that’s what you want.
Once again, what relevance this has to a concerted russian propaganda campaign is left to the reader’s imagination. This is off-topic. Stop threadshitting. If you want to talk about the “influence” illegal immigrants had on the election, start a thread. This is about something which, despite your claims to the contrary, has fuck-all to do with individual illegal immigrants protesting or speaking out against the president.
We don’t. Generally speaking, we don’t just assume that that’s the case. In the case of Russia, we demonstrated it beyond reasonable doubt.
Stop junior modding and stop it now.
Stop junior modding and stop it now.
How do you know these were “individual” foreign criminals? How many of them there were? 1? 10? 1000? 10000? Is there a numerical boundary below which foreign criminals should be allowed to influence US elections?
Once again, how do we know their actions were not a part of concerted campaign by a foreign government without investigation?
So your argument is that an undetermined and largely hypothetical number of illegal immigrants may have been in the vicinity of public political protests, and therefore the government should have - in some unspecified way - conducted an investigation of enormous scope at staggering cost and potentially in violation itself of various civil rights in order to see whether **any **of the literally hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of people who participated in public events were illegal immigrants and to ascertain to what extent their participation had any effect whatsoever on the outcome of the election? And you voted for Trump because - despite having no evidence whatsoever - you decided that it was “highly likely” that some of those people were illegal immigrants?
And that all makes sense to you?
“long-eared baboon”?
Holy shit, just coming right out with the black man - monkey comparisons huh? No wonder you voted for the Trumpster fire.
I cringe.
You should. Your remarks were offensive and bigoted, as I demonstrated, making equally offensive and bigoted remarks. I hope you will have the moral strength to admit you were wrong and apologize.
Il Douche is not bigoted. Baboon is.
Why do you refer to them as immigrants, as opposed to more precise “foreign criminals”?
No, that’s not my argument at all. My argument is that foreign criminals were not in the “vicinity”. They were in the thick of trying to influence the elections.
Well, the way was obvious: immigration officials should have gone to the protests, identified foreign criminals, who were trying to influence US elections, and arrested them.
Why would the cost of arresting foreign criminals be staggering? Is it due to sheer number of foreign criminals who tried to influence US elections in this case?
What civil rights would be violated in arresting foreign criminals, who tried to influence US elections?
It does.
Nonsense. There is nothing offensive or bigoted about calling out the Dotard for his stupidity, or calling out Trumpelthinskin for his hair-trigger temper, or calling out il Douche for his general obnoxiousness, or for calling out Lord Orange for his poor taste in spray tans, or… well, I could go on for a while, but I think the point is made.
The irony… it burns…
Once again, this is not how it works. If you have evidence you can present it. I mean how do we know you’re not a Russian national working for Putin? :rolleyes:
You’re doing what is called moving the goalpost. Your original claim was:
IIRC, there were numerous large anti-Trump demonstrations before the Elections, protesting his proposed immigration policies. While I don’t have hard numbers, it is doubtless that a number of people, participating in those demonstrations, were foreign nationals, residing in the US unlawfully (ie, criminals).
This was a clear and blatant interference in the US election process by foreigners and the failure to investigate it by previous administration was close, if not tantamount, to treason.
Trying to draw a parallel between Russian interference, where some activity was clearly illegal, and the action of illegal immigrants in those protests, which is no not illegal, is what is called a “bad analogy”.
That’s fortunate. If you were pulling hard things out of your ass, you might hurt yourself.