Lots of people have gotten busted at sporting events, not just affairs but calling in sick from work or otherwise not supposed to be there. But you expect to possibly be on camera at a sporting event so buyer beware. Unless you know about the Coldplay schtick, you wouldn’t expect to be shown in the screens unless you are in the front few rows. I often have very good seats to shows and am frequently shown on the big screen and you better believe I am aware of it.
Sporting events are usually broadcast on TV. Concerts very rarely are. Even if everything had happened exactly the way it went down, they still would have gotten away with it if someone hadn’t recorded their reaction on a cell phone.
I heard about a case like that once. My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from a guy who knows a kid who’s going with the girl who saw him on the TV at the game after he couldn’t go to school because he passed out at 31 Flavors the night before.
Exactly my point but at big concerts these days smart phone recording is ubiquitous and inescapable. There is no way that that wouldn’t have been recorded by someone. There are at least two views out there that I have seen.
Sure a crime has been commited.
When the boss decided to make sexual advances..that’s the crime.
The victim tells or doesn’t.
Either way, sexual advances on subordinates is a crime, anywhere.
“It always feels like
…somebody’s watching me”
Yep. The times we live in do be weird.
I remember my kids fascination with the CC Tv walking in stores. The screen was right at the door..they’d just wave like fools at themselves.
Don’t know. We called it a Jumbotron back when I was in high school in the late 80s. Sometimes words miss you. That happens to me all the time.
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As far as employee/employer relationships are concerned, making sexual advances on a subordinate isn’t a crime anywhere here in the United States. There are some elements of harassment that might violate criminal law, the harasser exposing themself, false imprisonment, assault, etc., etc. that could result in criminal prosecution, but if I wink at the intern and ask her to spend some quality time in the supply closet I’m not actually violating the law. If she’s into it, i.e. my advance isn’t unwanted, it isn’t even harassment. (Not that I’d ever wink at the intern. Either suggestively or non-suggestively.)
Back in the 80s when one of the Star Trek movies opened someone I worked with and his girlfriend were on TV because they were in line waiting for the theater to open. My workmate had taken the day off work, but his girlfriend had called in sick; I don’t think she got fired, but she definitely got in trouble.
Everybody knows now. What if it turns out promiscuous corpos are Coldplay’s core fanbase?
And Cecil featured him in a couple columns:
I’d also remind some of the moralizers here that @LouMa is not an American. Other countries have a more relaxed view of how important the company is versus the employees as people entitled to lives.
You’re thinking of the Chief’s fan who used to dress up as a wolf.
Moralizers? Are you fucking serious? Do you disagree with our stated reasons why one very specific type of workplace relationship is a horrible idea?
I guess I would have thought that non-Americans were (generally-speaking) more progressive and therefore less ok with things like power differentials in relationships, the potential for quid pro quo, the possibility of managers creeping on their underlings, etc. Sort of like how California has mandatory sexual harassment training and Arkansas does not.
Mind you, I know a lot of Americans are okay with those things too – and not just white male managers, either – I think @Spice_Weasel said earlier in the thread that it’s a big romance trope, which I’ve seen as well.
And the main thing is that the enforcers of the rules are openly flouting the rules and would have fired other employees for doing the same thing.
On what factors would the court make that assessment? For that matter, how would it even get to court? What factors would the police/prosecutors consider in whether to bring the matter to court?
Consider a scenario: the boss asks the much younger junior employee out on a date. The employee fears that if they say no, they stand no chance of a promotion, desirable assignments, whatever. The boss didn’t actually say that, and may or may not have intended something like that.
How would a European company deal with that? “Oh, it’s okay, they’re both consenting adults” entirely ignores the power differential, the fact that the boss really CAN exert substantial influence if not total control over who gets promoted and who gets the plum assignments.
The context matters.
If your fictional Intern took offense at your suggesting they remand to the supply closet with you. And then reports you;
Further, if security cams caught that wink and/or any touchy touchy hand-on-shoulder type stuff. You’d be in big trouble.
As @Odesio has noted, sexual advances on subordinates is not a crime in US jurisdictions. There are a few very specific situations (prison guards and inmates, teacher/student, and law enforcement and detainees are probably the most common) where sexual relations between theoretically-consenting adults has been criminalized, and sexual harassment is a crime under the UCMJ for military personnel, but the general case of a boss making advances towards a subordinate is not criminal. It does however create a potential tort under civil rights laws, as a form of sexual discrimination.