It looks to me like the risk is blood clots in the brain from birth control pills is higher than the risk of blood clots in the brain from the vaccines. And both of those are lower than the risk of blood clots in the legs from bc.
The vaccine clots are weird, though, since they happen with abnormally low platelet levels, and will be aggravated if the doctors give you heparin
You may want to be careful what you accuse people of outside the Pit.
As to the merits of the comparison, give me a break. “They’re DIFFERENT blood clots!!1!” does not change the usefulness of the comparison of relative levels of risk to illustrate how safe the vaccine is.
Yeah. It’s a really useful comparison, because most women between 20-60 have thought about using hormonal birth control and about the risks.
Cite? These seem very different things and I have not seen anyone make that specific claim. It’s always been “more chance of clots” full stop. From link:
I gave you a link the other day. It didn’t give actually frequency, but it listed estrogen-containing birth control as one of the most likely reasons to have a blood clot in your brain. The same place as the vaccine clots.
It’s the wikipedia article about that kind of brain clot.
That was a general “you”. Are you stating with confidence that there is no risk difference between a blood clot in your brain and a blood clot in your leg?
Unless you spell out the frequency of brain clots happening due to birth control pills, what are we comparing? The worst thing the pill can do to you or something that happens as frequently as in the vaccination?
Eta: I just looked at the wikipedia article. Hormonal birth control is one of a dozen risk factors that are usually present in someone who develops a CVST.
FigNorton, I appreciated the point that all blood clots are not the same, and that generalized blood comparisons may obfuscate the risks of any given action or lack thereof. After that, however, your argument goes off the rails.
I wrote and deleted a lot more, as I think I’d get a warning outside the Pit. I appreciate the good points you bring up to challenge the received wisdom, but I rather less appreciate the lines of argument that just appear to be contrarian.
What in the world is contrarian about it? I used the same argument a couple of times with acquaintances and I’m now a little embarrassed because I think it misrepresents both the risk of birth control and the vaccine.
It looks like the problem with AZ killed about 1/1M people who took it. Honest question: do birth control pills kill one in a million women?
Would it be too much to ask that the AZ clotting discussion be taken to the thread about AZ clotting, and leave this for discussion of vaccine distribution & availability etc?
Ok, I’m sorry. I will join any further discussion in a different thread.
I created a separate thread about blood clots. The media is not always giving much useful information about them, and the risk.
You are under the assumption that logic and planning went into this, rather than “oh shit, the 55+ crowd doesn’t want Astra and we are going to have to throw away a bunch of expired vaccines and can not blame another level of government”. They have a “plan”, not a plan.
Doctor’s office sent out an email this morning about providing shots this weekend so I’m in Saturday morning!
What’s illogical about that? Why would you criticize them for adapting to the reality that people have been scared off AZ.
Adapting is good, not forseeing the situation is bad.
As the grateful recipient of one of those AstraZeneca shots about 4 hours ago, I’m glad they reallocated. After pushing the age cap from 55 down to 40, effective today, there are virtually no free shots available and people are spending hours re-entering their info on multiple sites or calling the pharmacies who can’t handle the volume. Apparently us GenXers were just waiting to get the younger boomers out of the way, they are now complaining they can’t get Astra because there are no appointments left which they didn’t want two days ago.
There are now approximately 20 different eligibility groups for 2 classes of vaccines. Each pharmacy chain or individual store has phone appointments, online booking, or online wait listing for Astra. The province, the city of Toronto, and about 2 dozen healthcare groups (mostly hospital sponsored) have a different booking system for Pfizer & Moderna. Other areas of the province may or may not have their own booking system. It’s a complete shitshow that the government could and should have foreseen and planned for. The official plan, last updated less than 2 weeks ago, is in tatters.
This is a government that shut down playgrounds and legalized police stops on Sunday and had to reverse themselves 12 hours later. There are no grownups in the room.
That’s how it’s working in most of the States that have double the vaccinated numbers of Ontario. Look in the “who’s been vaccinated” threads. People signing up through Costco, CVS or Walgreens. Some at mass clinics, some at their doctor’s office. Blaming the province for not ordering the pharmacies to make some shared appointment system is not remotely fair. One of the reason to use the pharmacy chains is because they already have infrastructure for giving shots.
There should have been ONE booking system in Ontario. While the pharmacies have the ability to give shots, they had virtually no scheduling capabilities with their in house systems. The province should have provided a system, not “forced them” to use one.
With the rare exception of some unhoused people and people incountry with out legal status, every person in the province has a provincial health card. I’ve been in the software business for 30 years and we could have written the system in under 4 months given that database. There is a Twitter account called @VaxHuntersCan that’s gone from 0 to 113000 followers in 3 weeks as people try and figure out where and when they can get vaccinated.
The pharmacists already have to use the provincial system to issue the receipts and record the vaccine against our health cards. I had my shot at Costco and received the emailed receipt before I sat down for my mandatory 15 minute wait afterwards. They managed to get this part correct.
That is not remotely connected to a province wide reservation system. I think there’s probably some benefits to chains and localities having control of distribution.
Is that connected to your phone number?