There were undertones? I guess I missed them because I felt like I was being clobbered over the head with plot. It’s hard to hear the nuances when the volume is turned up to 11.
The idea that people dislike “Crash” because they preferred “Brokeback Mountain” is a claim desperately in need of support.
“Crash” was heavy-handed and the characters were shallow. I have never seen “Brokeback Mountain”.
You know, if you want to defend a movie, it might be more convincing if you actually defended the movie, instead of tossing off passive aggressive insults at people with different opinions.
I’ve seen a ton of movies, and “get undertones” just fine thank you very much. lissener has probably seen more movies than anyone on the board. I’m confident undertones pose no problem for him either. Nor for many of the numerous other people who disliked this movie.
I’m not “righteously indignant,” I just don’t think Crash was a very good movie.
That’s all I’m comfortable saying in this forum.
I liked Crash, the racism movie. I thought it was decent. It didn’t change my life and I didn’t despise it. I like ensemble-type movies. I think it’s deeper than most people give it credit for, but I don’t think it’s a masterpiece.
That David Cronenburg movie, on the other hand, was a pretentious piece of shit. Glorified porn. And I say that as someone who generally thinks porn doesn’t get enough credit, artistically.
I never saw Brokeback Mountain. I read the short story once and hated it. Boring as hell.
But Lissener’s own *“it’s the non-thinking man’s thinking movie. It allowed people to ‘get it’ without any real effort, making them feel smart” * gets a pass? :rolleyes:
You can yell at him for that, if you want.
I saw Roger Ebert speak (when he could still speak) at a film festival not long after the Oscars that year. Someone in the audience asked him whether he thought Brokeback Mountain should have beat out Crash for Best Picture. Ebert said he’d been asked that question a lot, but that it was usually by people who hadn’t even seen Crash. He asked everyone in the audience who’d seen both movies to raise their hands, then asked everyone who thought Crash was more deserving of the Best Picture award to put their hands down. He was right – there were only a few hands left in the air from Brokeback Mountain supporters. An obvious majority of people present who’d seen both movies thought that Crash deserved the award.
I hadn’t seen Crash at the time, but I did later and…I still would have gone with Brokeback Mountain. No question. I didn’t think Crash was TERRIBLE, but it wasn’t even close to being as good as Brokeback Mountain. Still, I think it is true that after the Oscars some people who hadn’t even seen Crash were angry because they believed it couldn’t possibly be as good as Brokeback Mountain. This thread should be proof enough that there are also people who saw Crash and disliked it even though they’d never seen Brokeback Mountain, but I can see how people who liked Crash might have gotten the idea that Crash-bashing was mostly coming from Brokeback Mountain fans.
Just seems odd that the person you’re defending did the exact same thing you’re condemming. I don’t think our views on the movie should affect what we expect of others on either side of the fence.
I tend to get more riled up when someone insults me than when they insult someone else. I figure everyone can take care of themselves. You’re right that Lissener’s comment was unnecessary and obnoxious. One should attack or defend the movie, not insult people who liked/disliked it, IMO. But I think it’s only human to react when it’s your ox that’s gored.
It was dull too.
Anything with Elias Koteas and James Spader automatically beats anything else. Koteas and Spader starring in Tetris: The Movie would beat any film by the ferociously untalented hack Paul Haggis (who should be turned into the food which is his namesake.)
So which of the two movies is more insistent upon itself?
Brokeback had Heath Ledger sticking his dick in Jake Gyllenhaal’s ass.
Crash has James Spader sticking his dick in Elias Koteas’s ass, and in a scar in Rosanna Arquette’s leg - WIN
I agree that Crash sucks. I don’t want to go on and on about why it sucks, and anyway, I’ve only seen it once and would not subject myself to it again to analyze why I disliked it so much. Mostly I’ve tried to put it out of my mind.
Best thing I can say about it was that it marked the time I had sex in a movie theater. Not because the movie turned us on or anything – it was just so dull that we decided that having sex would be a better use of our time.
Could you elaborate a little into how you were able to do that and get away with it? I’m assuming you mean real penetrative sex, not just a handjob or cock-sucking.
Late show, empty discount-style theater (just us in there), presumably apathetic staff. Girl wearing skirt on lap.
I’m guessing just no one entered since we weren’t disturbed but who knows? Maybe they watched for a bit figuring it was better than the movie 
Did my post describe you and your take on the movie? If not, then obviously I wasn’t talking about you, but about the people who DO approach the movie in that way. Do you honestly think I was suggesting there is only one monolithic way that all people react to that movie? Or does it perhaps make more sense that I was specifically addressing one particular response to it?
If my post wasn’t about you, *then it wasn’t about you. *Why would you manufacture outrage by taking it personally, if it doesn’t describe you?
No, of course not. Your original statement, “it’s the non-thinking man’s thinking movie. It allowed people to ‘get it’ without any real effort, making them feel smart,” was obviously binary. However, in regards to those who did enjoy the movie, it did seem that you blanketly insulted them.
This is craven backpedaling. You didn’t describe any “take” on the movie, nor any “approach” to it. You posted only a general smear of anyone who had a positive reaction.