Creation vs. Evolution

(This is in honor of a good friend of mine, that doesn’t read this board)

We must not be fooled that there is an overwhelming body of evidence for the evolutionist imagination. To put it bluntly - the evidence just isn’t there in the clear manner they would have you to believe.

Evolution carries with it an elitist attitude. To an evolutionist, the idea that an almighty God created everything is pure foolishness. And don’t take kindly to those who don’t fall for their imagination. Just look at evolution’s prevalence in places where people claim to be learned.

-The public school system, -Rather then encouraging students to have an open mind to the world, they teach only one possible solution for our existence.

-The college and university system –The elitist attitude of educrates only gets stronger as one moves to the secular university system. Evolution is more or less universally accepted as their doctrine of choice.

-Other examples include PBS, National Geographic, and The Learning channel.

The false concepts and ideas from evolution are used constantly as a marketing tool to target kids, FlavoRite Fruit Snack Boxes, Quaker oatmeal with dinosaur eggs, and many more products in which they are in contact with.


Paul warned Timothy against this type of “elitism”

1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded; nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Evolution is a convienent new religion invented by men in a feeble attempt to explain their own existence in the absence of faith and the demonstrated power of the Spirit of God.

But I believe through faith that God created the Heavens and the Earth and everything that is in them simply through the expression of his Word.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

I am sorry but I cannot square man’s imagination of evolution with the power of God’s spirit demonstrated upon me in salvation.


Evolution –Religious Doctrine of the World

Evolution is in a sense a religious doctrine, because it attempts to provide a substitute for faith in an almighty creator.

One thing needs to be made clear. Evolution is not science –it is at best a theory necessary to explain the world’s existence without God.

Evolutionists have a zeal to evangelize the world with their doctrine, and they start with children at a young age.

Evolution lifts man up as the highest form of life available –with no one to answer but himself.


That being said, there are stark contrasts between the imagination of evolution and faith in creation.

When we look at the two opposing viewpoints, our mind must be sharpened in wisdom to separate:

• FACT from FICTION
• FAITH from ASSUMPTION
• TRUTH from LIE
• SCIENCE from PSEUDO-SCIENCE
• IMAGINATION from EVIDANCE


Science

So what is science? Because evolution always seem to be labeled as scientists. Christians oftentimes get the idea that science is a bad thing. –true science is a noble pursuit. In Proverbs Solomon says -Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.

Science has to do with the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. –Science is a systematic method of gaining knowledge.

True science follows these steps.

  1. A problem or question is posed.
  2. A Hypothesis is proposed (educated guess)
  3. A controlled experiment is conducted.
  4. Correlate the data into a generalization.
  5. Verify with a repeat experiment.

The problem with labeling evolutionists as scientists is that the origin of the earth and the life are history, Not science. You cannot go back and follow the steps of science in order to prove a theory. The experiment cannot be observed, repeated of verified. At best, you can only pose the question and a hypothesis.

But look at what God asked Job.

Job 28:3 He setteth an end to darkness, and searcheth out all perfection: the stones of darkness, and the shadow of death.
Job 28:4 The flood breaketh out from the inhabitant; even the waters forgotten of the foot: they are dried up, they are gone away from men.
Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.
Job 28:6 The stones of it are the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold.
Job 28:7 There is a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture’s eye hath not seen:
Job 28:8 The lion’s whelps have not trodden it, nor the fierce lion passed by it.
Job 28:9 He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.

To find the answers regarding origins, we must go to the word of the One who was there. The only one who was there when the earth was formed and life was God.


Creation is rooted in faith –verified by observation of the things that are made.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Contrast this to the next five verses in Romans where Paul talks about those who do not want to glorify God.

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.


The difference between Creation and Evolution is this.

-Evolution attempts to fit the facts into an imaginary world without God.

-Creation lets the facts build upon faith in God.


What is evolution?

  1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form.

a. The process of developing.
b. Gradual development.
3. Biology.
a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
b. The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
4. A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.
5. Mathematics. The extraction of a root of a quantity.
The history of evolution goes way back – back before people like Charles Darwin or Louis & Mary Leakey were out scrounging to put together old bones.

  1. Epicurius suggested that living things might have developed from simple forms. Paul encountered the Epicurians in Acts 17:18

  2. Aristotle (384-322BC) believed in a gradual transition from the imperfect to the perfect and that man stood at the top of this ascent.

  3. Lamarck(1744-1829) proposed that a new body organ for example might have been developed based on need. A worm wanting eyes could develop them merely by wishing for them intensely enough.

  4. Darwin popularized evolution with his book in 1859 “The origins of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life”
    If you think that sounds racist, it is. The bible never refers to the word “race”. However, for someone who truly has prejudice, evolution fits right with their philosophy.

Early evolutionists including Darwin were racists in the true sense. He believed that the gorilla and the Negro occupied evolutionary positions between the baboon and the Caucasians.

Henry Fairfield Osborn, Professor of biology and zoology at Columbia university wrote, The Negroid stock is even more ancient than the Caucasian and Mongolians, as may be proved by an examination not only of the brain, of the hair, of the bodily characteristics . . . but of the instincts, the intelligence. The standard of intelligence of the average adult Negro is similar to that of the eleven-year-old-youth of the species Homo Sapiens.

Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) over and over again in his book, “mein kampf”.

So you see that once God is removed from the picture, anything goes –including the worst and most vile philosophies that man has to offer.


The imagination of evolution proposes that the heavens and the world were formed by a BIG BANG. So what was before the big bang –just a bunch of energy? –And so what was before that? Would you really expect that the disorder of an explosion would bring the beautifully ordered universe we have today?

**Interrupting this otherwise serious topic to bring a joke. Did you hear that scientists have been working with an ultra-sensitive listening device that is able to hear the sounds that occurred just before the big bang? You know what they heard –UH OH! :slight_smile: **

• Non-living chemicals gave rise produced living material.
• Single celled organisms deceloped to multi-celled organisms.
• Somewhere in here, plants and Fungi must have started to evolve.
• Invertabrates, which have no backbone or spinal column transformed in to vertebrates.
• Fish developed into amphibians.
• Amphibians evolved into reptiles.
• Reptiles evolved into birds and mammals.
• And all this time, a certain segment of the poor hapless creatures at the bottom of the food chain haven’t seemed to keep up with the times.
The imagination of evolution rests on two shaky pillars.

  1. The good luck on chance.

Everything from the Big Bang on relies on the good fortune of chance to develop into what the world is today.
A study of mathimital probabilities and a little practical common sense almost practically, if not totally destroy this first pillar. Just because you give a group of monkeys in a room with all the chips necessary to build a computer doesn’t mean that they would ever do so – no matter how much time you gave them. Now try giving them the raw iron ore, copper, crude oil, aluminum, silica, and other ingredients while not supplying them with any necessary tools and see just how long it would take them to build a computer. Now that’s a good way to learn patience.
Even the most basic of life is infinitely more complex in molecular structure then any computer.

  1. Eons of time. –

Evolutionists say that if enough time passes, and given enough chances life will evolve.
Given enough time, simple things will evolve to complex.
Given enough time and chance, mutations will occur that enhance the species –and whats more, they will continue throughout the following generations……NO!


So what about time – what about these olf dates they keep coming up with?

Evolutionists rely heavily on radiometric dating techniques. Radiometric dating is based on the half-life of Carbon-14.
Carbon-14 is a radioactive form of carbon. If you remember any chemistry, Carbon 14 has 6 proton, and 8 neutrons. Over time, the the carbon loses two of the neutrons and decays into good old carbon 12. Incidently, the half life of Carbon-14 is about 5,760 years. This means that if you had a handful of Carbon-14, half of it would have decayed to Carbon 12 after 5,760 years.
Plants and animals typically ingest a small amount of Carbon-14 in the form of Carbon Dioxide. The Carbon-14 continues radioactive decay for yeats after the plant or animal is dead. If you measure the amount of Carbon-14 in something and compare it with what it ws supposed to have, then you can take a guess at the age. –and I do emphasize guess.
This type of dating is fraught with error.

1st of all, you don’t know just how much Carbon-14 and Carbon-12 was in the animal in the first place. The typical ratio of ancient times may have bee different than it is today.

2nd You must assume that the changes only occur by radioactive decay. You don’t know what external influences might have come into play.

3rd You cannot know for sure that the radioactive decay has been constant for all these years.

There have been many examples of radiocarbon dating errors. For example.

  1. Shells of snails living in southern Nevada were dated at 27,000 years.

  2. A shell from a live clam was dated thousands of years old.

  3. Dried seal carcasses less then 30 years old were dated as old as 4,600 years/ A freshly killed seal was dated at 1,300 years old.

  4. Relatively fresh volcanic rock on Reunion Island in the Indian ocean were dated from 100,000 to 4.4 billion years.
    Even though evolution is extremely flawed, they seem to have everyone convinced and no one seems to wasn’t to stand up an to tell the empoper that he isn’t wearing any clothes.

Much of this is to do with the fact that the evolutionist are prevalent in colleges and universities and in this field of study. Having the evolutionists as the keepers and disseminators of the fossile records is kind of like putting the fox in charge of the chicken house.

Ecolutionists done have a very god track record when it comes to producing the truth.

A few examples. Evolutionary Hoaxes:

  1. Ramapithecus – A fossil that was found in India in 1932. Turns out that this fossil was nothing more then a few teeth and some fragments of jaw and palate. Most likely it came from some type of orangutan.

  2. Nebraska Man – This hoax when on for quite a while before the big fossil find was identified as a single tooth from a wild pig.

  3. Piltdown Man – This fossil from England turned out to be a modern human skill, and the jawbone of an ape. The teeth has been carefully filed down, and the skill chemically treated to make it appear older. This thing fooled so called scientists from 1912 to 1953 (40 years).

  4. Peking Man –these remains mysteriously became lost. Eventually the remains of a variety of apes was found at the site. Other remains of modern humans were reported to also be at the same site along with their tools.

  5. Australophithecus Afarensis (Southern Ape) – The best guess on this creature, nicknamed Lucy, is that she was just an extinct ape.

  6. Java man – This fossil was “found” in the 1890’s by Eugene Duboise. Mr. Duboise kept the lie going until the end of his life when he revealed that the Java man was not a half man/half ape link, part of the skill actually belonged to a giant Gibbon.

  7. The National geographic Dinosaur – Bird Hoax – Within just the last two years, National Geographic printed a large spread detailing how they had found a missing link between dinosaurs and birds. On the very next issue, they were forced to acknowledge that the fossil was a total hoax, complete with chicken feathers.

(this is too long so i must post it in two posts only 20,000 chars per post)

So what about creation –Lets examine the story in Genesis.

Day One – God created the heavens and the earth. God created light and divided it form the night. He established the laws of physics.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Day Two – God created the atmosphere.

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Day Three – God shaped the earth to cause the land and seas to separate. He also created living plants.

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Day Four – God set in motion the sun and the moon to mark day and night time.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Day Five – God created the creatures like fish and birds.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Day Six – God the living creatures such as mammals and mankind that dwells on the land.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Day Seven - God rested
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.


So what evidence do we have for creation.

  1. By faith in the word of God
    Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

  2. The population growth.
    If people actually been around for a million years or more, we would be stepping all over each other because the earth would be so densly populated. Evolution makes no sense when you look backwards at population statistics. Creation ~6000 years ago, and the flood after that makes sense.

  3. No one has found ant of those sought after missing links.
    Of course this doesn’t directly prove creation, but it certainly doesn’t help the evolution side either. Without the missing links, evolution continues to be pure fantasy. The absence of missing links demonstrates that things are as they were in the beginning.

  4. The nearly universal folklore story of the flood.
    Almost all ancient folklore includes a story of a great flood. Like the Gilgamesh epic recorded by the ancient Babylonians.

  5. Order in the heavens. It always take a higher power to produce order from disorder.
    Any scientist that knows the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics know that 1) Matter and energy can be converted from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. 2) Systems left to themselves go to a condition of greater disorder, probility, and randomness. Big bangs do not produce a universe, tornadoes do not build buildings, explostions in a junk yard do not neatly arrange the cars.

  6. The witness of Jesus.
    The witness of Jesus ministry and the miracle that he did are a powerful testimony for creation.

Jesus demonstrated His ability to control the elements when he calmed the storm.

He demonstrated his power over the laws of physics when he walked on the water.

He demonstrated his power to create something from nothing when He fed the 5000.

He showed His ability to give life when Lazarus was raised from the dead.

He demonstrated that He was not bound by time and space constraints when He appeared unto His disciples after the resurrection.

Since Jesus is God manifested in the flesh it is easily seen how God accomplished these many things.

  1. Fearfully and wonderfully made.

Examples of being wonderfully made:

Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.
Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
Psa 139:17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
Psa 139:18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

I hope this helps clear up some of the confusion about creation and the imagination of evolution. (thanks Andrew, -friend who gave most of text)

(ACK I type that whole thing and i get the title wrong) MODs can you please change the title to: Creation vs. Evolution -thank you!

Nomad, you need to get your information from more reliable sources. All your claims for flaws in the evidence for evolution or for errors in calculation sound like they came directly from Jack Chick tracts.
Your “arguments” have already been refuted ad nauseum, so I suggest you just go look for some real information. To start, just enter “evolution” in the SDMB message board search engine. You’ll find lots of links and if you read them, you might learn something.

By the way, “evolution” doesn’t refer to the big bang.

:eek:

Just a quick question before the onslaught of inevitable posters who will make short order of your points:

In your “creation” account, how did the plants, which were created before the sun, survive without sunlight or heat?

You know the problem with presenting alternate theories of evolution is when you start quoting the Bible. You can make the most reasoned, intellegient, articulate arguments in the world and as soon as you add a Bible passage at the end…well…people tend to think your just a Bible thumping nut who refuses to see reality.

Not that you are of course…

In addition to your overwhelming load of inaccuracies and utter B.S. I noticed that you broke Godwins before anybody challenged on any of your baseless assertions!

That’s got to be a record!

:smiley:

You know what’s funny? Take away the big bang theory, it’s gone, utterly nonexistent.

Guess what?

That doesn’t effect the theory of evolution one iota.

I see very little substance to your rant actually. Did you get this material from Hovind?

I also find this highly amusing:

Let’s see your math, which you seem to think makes some sense. Did you include ice ages, disease, disaster and I’d like you to explain to us why the earth isn’t overcome by all the other animals in your 6k year idea.

Uh, what is the “missing link”? I think you’ll find that this is primarily a creationist concept because mankind’s evolution has a fair amount of transitional human links.

:rolleyes: Stories should be considered evidence now? Let me ask you this: How did the freshwater fish survive? How did animals that require swamplands survive? How did the polar ice caps form so quickly?

How did animals get to islands after the flood? Do you know how quickly the rain would’ve had to have fallen in order to cover the entire globe??

First, big bang-it’s validity doesn’t effect evolution at all. Second, do you know what open and closed systems are?

Evolution is only a religious doctrine in creationists eyes, no serious scientist believes this. Evolution also doesn’t say anything about faith or an almighty creator, this is just your empty rhetoric.

Check your science books again-evolution has nothing to do with the worlds existence, nor does it attempt to falsify God.

Children at a young age? What do you consider “children”? Highschool students? They have to learn about biology and science some day, don’t they, they can’t just stick to the narrowminded pseudoscience of creationism now can they?

Also, once again, evolution is not a substitute for faith; it’s not a belief system, no matter how red in the face you get screaming it. People who accept the fact of evolution can be (and many are) theistic.

Again, this is has nothing to do with evolution. The origin of the earth is cosmology, not biology. Also, you can not “prove” a theory, “proving” things is for math.

In addition you do not have to “observe” a phenomenon; try to watch gravity. At best you can see how gravity effects things, you can not actually witness it.

Again, this is cosmology, not evolution. Since you are asserting this, give me evidence of “God”.

You start with a good question “what is evolution”, you should have ended it there, because you obvious have a very shaky grasp on the concept.

Evolution is the change in alleles in a gene pool of a species over time.

Riiiigggghhhhtttt…And gravity is the real culprit behind bullets killing people. By the way, you might want to check on that fictious title of yours:
“The origins of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life”

:rolleyes:

Here’s the actual title and the actual book, online.

Why don’t you try actually reading it before you condemn it?

That’s slander, give me a page number, or cite for this idiotic quote!

Uh, no. You are thinking of Carbon dating. Which is only used to date things up to 50,000 years old.

In any event, how do you explain the age of the ice caps? Or the amount of killer-meteors that mankind would have had to live through in order for the 6k years to be remotely accurate?

I wouldn’t thank Andrew-It’s overwhelmingly obvious that “andrew” hasn’t the foggiest clue what he’s talking about. It sounds as though he’s brainwashed you into believing this nonsense.

I was just going to ask this question when I saw Meatros had already posted it. I’ve asked this question at creationtalk.com and No Answers in Genesis, and I have yet to receive any sort of explanation. I’m willing to bet that Nomadic_One can’t explain the survival of fish either…but if he or anyone else can, please feel free to enlighten me.

Nomadic_One, would you mind telling us the source of that long, misleading and totally uninformed screed? If it has already been published, you will have to credit the original author.

Oooh there are stil some baltant lies or preposteros misrepresentations left for me.

No it doesn’t. there are many posters on the SDMB and throughout the world who believe in an almoghty crator and evolution. One does not provide a substitute for the other.

Quite the oposite. Evolutionar tells us that man is one small and dwindling branch on the tree of life, no higher or lower than any other living organism. It is religion that " lifts man up as the highest form of life".

Of course, the difference between them and Nomadic_One is that they are aware of what evolution actually is, and, more importantly, what it isn’t.

Nomadic_One is in possession of a horribly distorted strawman of evolution. And why do fundies always seem to think that evolution = big bang? The two are not connected at all.

Oh, and Nomadic_One, just a little advice: When debating about evolution, try not quoting huge chunks of the Bible every few sentences. The Bible isn’t a science textbook, and no one is going to take any religious text as a serious cite in a scientific debate.

Quite the oposite. Evolutionar tells us that man is one small and dwindling branch on the tree of life, no higher or lower than any other living organism. It is religion that " lifts man up as the highest form of life". **
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You lost my my confidence when you made this absolutely incorrect assertion:

I support the theory of evolution – the little that I know about it… I also believe that God created everything. I try to be patient with those who disagree with me and I expect the same from them. I do not expect my religious beliefs to be taught in a science class. That would be inappropriate.

To say that something is “history” so it can’t be “science” is silly. Use your logic, Nomadic_One, and don’t just repeat nonsense without thinking about it. Edison invented the light bulb through science. That is a matter of history. See?

About the only thing you’ve said that I can agree with is that the more educated you become, the less likely you are to believe in creationism as a science.

One suggestion, learn what is actually meant by “scientific theory.”

Keep your mind open and your faith strong.

:smack: Please ignore the last chunk of my post. Stupid editing mistake on my part.

In the interest of “stamping out ignorance”, from the link provided by Meatros, the first page of the preface show the complete title as

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Well, dang … I pressed the wrong button.

What I intended to say was

Who’s “best guess” would that be?

You really should be more careful what you post in GD. Your OP is like chum to the sharks around here.

It hasnt been published but Andrew Thone a friend of mine, helped with alot of the points. Most of the information can be found on alot of websites and this is just them stuck together.