Cyber-Squatting: Legal investment strategy or invasion of the identity snatchers?

Recently I have heard about so-called “cyber-squatters” in the mainstream media, and how it was affecting entertainment industries from music to sports to TV & film.

There are people out there who keep track of new amd upcoming celebrities and pay the nominal registration fee for a domain in their name. Then, when (if) the celebrity wishes to start a website with their name, they have to deal with this cyber-squatter in order to buy the domain back from them. They ask (and I presume have gotten from people) upwards of five figures.

People against this practice say that one should have to buy their own identity from someone else.

People who are for it argue that the cyber-squatters have the foresight to pick names of people who will want/need that domain, and that it’s always a gamble like any business - these people probably register hundreds of athletes, band names and actors who never “make it,” and that domain is worthless.

What say you, and why?

Also, what court decisions here or abroad have been passed or are currently being decided that impacts this issue?

Oh, and by the way - brianoneill.com is taken (by a Canadian! Humph…), but you can still get brianoneill.net and brianoneill.org if you wish to try and capitalize on the any eventual (though unlikely) fame that comes my way…


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I say if those celebritys are too proud to put a - next to their name they deserve to pay them:)

Apologizes in advance for not having the details, but there is a law against cyber-squatting sites with a trademarked name. The first company to win a case against a cyber-squatter was the World Wrestling Federation for registering the name “www.worldwrestlingfederation.com” then trying to sell the name to the WWF for more money.

Site : http://www.sportsvueinc.com/News-Jan00/0117WWF.htm

The first company to win a case against a cyber-squatter was the World Wrestling Federation. The cyber-squatter registered the name “www.worldwrestlingfederation.com” then tried to sell the name to the WWF for a 4 figure sum. The WWF took him to court and won the rights to the site’s name under the new law.

Well, that makes sense, Louie, since using a copyrighted business name in almost any way is at best deceptive, and at worst an attempt at extortion (as seen here).

But what of the likes of http://www.aolsucks.com (and it’s mirror at http://www.aolsucks.org)?

Here is a site which has a trademarked and copyrighted name in it’s URL. Now, this name was chosen to make a complaint about the organization, but what if they wanted to sell this domain to them instead of use it as the platform they are?

You think it’s far-fetched that AOL would want to own a domain of such a name? Well, click here for a list of several websites alladvantage.com - a “get paid to surf the net” company - registered. So, you tell me why alladvantage.com would register “noadvantage.com” “alladvantageblows.com” and “crapadvantage.com,” amongst others.

So is maintaining a site with a copyrighted name in the domain name designed to spoof or flame that organization okay, but if you wanted to sell this name to the company in question, that is somehow wrong? What if AOL approaches THEM, asking to buy the name from them. Where is the difference?


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There was an article in the Wall Street Journal a few months ago about an interesting variant on this practice.

You set up a domain with a name that is close to the domain name of an organization about which you wish to gather information. You set up a mail server. You get all the email in which people spelled that address wrong and used your version of the name. This is especially effective when your target is a .org or .net and you get the .com version.

The major example was an anti-telemarketing crusader. There’s a telemarketing trade group with a .org name. The crusader got the .com version and was flooded with email, including a lot from employees of the organization. He picked up a lot of information that the telemarketing group didn’t want broadcast …

Satan,

In order for companies like Alladvantage.com to prevent dissenters from putting up bad PR sites, they simply purchase the URL’s that are derogatory, or can be taken as such.

Why has AOL not bought out, sued or otherwise taken down AOLsucks.com/.org, or sites like AOHell? First off, it’s hard to see where these sites could really put a dent in AOL’s marketshare. Secondly, it’s bad PR in and of itself to forcibly tear down a bad PR website, or otherwise disturb it’s owners.

Think of the bad PR that could be generated by some lame-ass “L33t” hacker wannabe leaking a story to the online press about AOL stifling his first amendment rights!

Basically, it’s easier to humor them than antagonize them.

Oh, and Dammit Louie…you beat me to it! :slight_smile:

As long as there aren’t any copyright violations, I must support the squatters. They are the ones who had the foresight, saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. Isn’t that what a free market is all about?

The guy who trademarked “Y2K” and “The Year 2000” many years ago was a smart cookie. I think the same rules should apply in this situation.

Ya snooz, ya looz.

Try out http://www.georgewbushsucks.com . His campaign bought the domain name in anticipation of someone else buying it. When this was news about a year ago, some reporter actually asked the campaign manager, “Does George W. Bush suck?”

Satan, to answer your specific question the difference is “use in commerce.” Federal law makes a distincition between activities which are engaged in for profit, and activities that aren’t (note: each state has its own trademark laws that may or may not require use in commerce). Actively asking someone to pay you is a commercial activity. Passively waiting until someone offers you money is not.

BTW, the law is not very developed in this area. Last I checked, the courts have been all over the place with decisions. There is almost no consistency whatsoever.

Apparently there is an old law on the books that has become useful in fighting the squatters. I can’t link y’all to my company’s CWW, so here is the article from 10/25/99:

And a follow up decision by the courts on 2/14/00:

I think we have all learned a valuable lesson from this- I know I have: a friend of mine does this frequently; I wonder how much he’ll pay for me to keep my mouth shut? :smiley:


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But what of the likes of http://www.aolsucks.com (and it’s mirror at http://www.aolsucks.org)?
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I work for a company that has numerous “neg names” registered, including ones for our pre-merger name. Paying $35 for each name is consider a small price to pay to avoid bad PR which could have a much higher monetary toll.

As for cyber-squatters and celebrity names, on the outside it does sound like it’s unethical. Kind of like extortion. However, no celebrity is the sole owner of their name. I know that there is at least one unlucky lady named Monica Lewinsky who has never met the president. So technically, the squatters are not stealing the property of the celebs.

Personally, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. One celeb, I think it was Kelsey Grammar, tried to start a website, found that his name had been. The domain owner made a pricey demand, Kelsey said, “screw that” and picked a new name, kelseygrammaronline.com or something like that. An imaginative celeb can find ways around the problem.

Besides, thanks to search engines, it’s not like fans can’t find a site if it’s not called http://www.bradpitt.com. Just type his name into Yahoo and find his official site (if he has one) within 30 seconds.

http://www.altavisa.com (Yes, that’s spelled right.)

Access Log: altavisa.com Log

The hit stats aren’t surprising.

It makes me wonder why altavista.com and similarly familiar domain names haven’t all tried to register common misspellings of their names. There IS a site located at http://www.altavita.com. Of course, alta vita means something else entirely. No doubt, though, that they’re reaping some benefits from having a domain name very close to that of a fairly popular search engine.

Does anyone else remember when it was http://www.altavista.digital.com ? If memory serves, the altavista.com domain was owned by some company called AltaVista Technology.

I’m surprised no one has mentioned the whitehouse.com pornsite.