Czarcasm, is it possible for a liberal to draw a warning for insulting a conservative?

Have you ever issued such a warning? Got links?

Really wish you would stop using “warning” when you mean “note”.

Also, why do liberals get a second chance before the warning? You did not extend that courtesy to the conservatives in this incident.

Nope. I’m saying that if a certain group of posters, be they conservative, liberal, religious or what ever, consistently complain that they are being picked on, it might not be unwise to consider the actions of those posters as well as the moderators they complain about.

Nope. I usually say what I mean.

Czarcasm’s actions as both a poster and a moderator show that he believes all conservatives are evil, and all conservative posters are trolls. Me included, even though I’ve never received a warning here.

You made the accusation of bias-you show me an example that compares to this one.

Yeah, me too. Bad habit I really need to break.

Because I think conservatives are intelligent enough to realize that a note to all is also a note to them. I’m surprised you don’t.

[OP Hat On]

This thread is not about the abuse certain liberals, including yourself, as a poster, constantly heap on conservatives. This thread is about your actions as a moderator in a specific thread. If you’d like to discuss whether certain groups of posters are picked on, please feel free to start a thread in an appropriate forum.

Thanks,
Oak
[OP Hat Off]

Blue Kid 1: Red Kids are DUMMIES!

***Dad: ***Quiet! Quit horsing around in the house.

Blue Kid 1: Nyah! I’m not kidding!

Dad: I said, SHUT UP AND GO OUTSIDE if you’re gonna horse around. I’m warning ALL you kids, don’t *make *me take off my belt!

Red Kid 1: Blue Kids say Red Kids are DUMMIES!

Dad: <sigh> What did I JUST SAY?

Red Kid 1: OW!

Red Kid 2: Red Kids aren’t dummies… BLUE KID 1 is the dummy!

Dad: Oh, for the love of PETE!

Red Kid 2: OW! No FAIR!

Red Kid 3: I’m telling MOMMY! Mommy, Daddy’s PICKING ON US AGAIN!

Apparently this thread is about you ignoring what ever I have to say and going on about my deficiencies as a moderator. You can sit and pout here all you want, but I’ve got other things to do.

I have little doubt.

I, however, needed clarification on the meaning and use of the word “type”, when coupled with “of posters”. I hoped to get a greater understanding of your post.

Certain type of posters think all conservatives are ee-ville.

Certain type of posters like to walk a thin line with the rules of the board, stir up the moderators, or play ‘gotcha’ games with other posters.

Certain type of posters just bring the popcorn and enjoy the melodrama.

Certain type of posters are merely easily confused. :wink:

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Oakminster, I have no particular dog in this fight. However, these kinds of personal remarks, particularly in attributing malignant motivations, are inappropriate for ATMB. Let’s dial the level of rhetoric back a bit, and stick to factual matters in your complaints.

Colibri

So far the second time, you’re caught red handed, refuse to acknowledge any possibility that you are wrong or made an error, and now you’re running away to hide, hoping this will all blow over?

Have you noticed that no other mod is backing you up on this? No other mod backed you up in the other thread I started when you messed up, either. In my experience here, the only times that happens is when the mod in question has absolutely no excuse or justification for the questioned act.

Do the right thing here, Czarcasm. Take back the warnings, let everybody involved get mod notes. Same punishment for the same crime. That’s fair.

ETA: This was posted before I saw **Colibri’**s mod note.

With all due respect, how are my comments any more objectionable than this:

I know I joke around a lot, but Oakminster, do you think it’s possible you’ve got a victim complex? I’ve read the thread that this complaint is regarding and I don’t see the bias that you’re accusing Czar of having. Well, I see a bias, yes, in that he’s liberal. But as far as his moderating is concerned he’s acted fairly as far as I can tell. And yes, I might be biased in favor of the mods. But I’m trying real hard to see what you’re seeing, even when you’re pointing it right out, and it’s not happening.

I haven’t read the thread yet, but I don’t have a problem with this situation as it’s been presented. He made two notes asking people to drop the hijack and then warned the next person who continued on the hijack. Political affiliation does not have to enter into it. And yes, Czarcasm has warned posters who most of us would consider liberal.

Pulling the ‘no other mod is backing you up’ card is at least a little unfair. This argument is between you and Czarcasm, so he ought to respond first. When other mods jump in, the issue can get confused and the complaints of ‘they’re circling the wagons, sigh’ begin.

I think it might be a good idea if you did.

Especially post #27, and 29.

Regards,
Shodan

Bolding Mine.

I agree with this description of the events. And I apologize for inspiring the comment that generated the warning. I was making an innocent observation, but I should know better then to talk about politics on this message board.

As an isolated incident, the moderator actions in this thread were appropriate.

Czarcasm’s remark was somewhat personal. However, in my opinion saying that he “hates you” and that he “believes all conservatives are evil, and all conservative posters are trolls” is very much more objectionable than what Czarcasm said about you. Also note that my remark was neither a warning nor even a moderator note, but rather an attempt to rachet down the level of antagonism before it got further out of hand. I don’t think it benefits the discussion to employ that tactic.

As Marley23 notes, you are wrong on this. I did not comment on the substance of the thread because the dispute is basically between you and Czarcasm. Since you evidently are soliciting input, I will say that I have read the thread in question, and I don’t see any real evidence of bias or abuse on the part of Czarcasm with regard to posters’ politics. If I had been moderating that thread, I might have handled it the same way.

Bill Cosby once observed that “Dad does not want justice! Dad wants QUIET!!!”

I appreciate the explanation. I do not agree with your conclusion regarding which act is more objectionable. I am not a moderator here. Czarcasm is. I believe moderators should be held to a higher standard of conduct than posters, and if I ever become a moderator here, I will conduct myself accordingly. However, I understand that no warning or even note was issued, and that you were attempting to spread oil on troubled waters. I appreciate that, too.

I’ve done that, and I stand by what I said. Czarcasm was trying to prevent over-the-top partisanship, not clear the floor so liberals could dump on conservatives. I think he did a good job of handling it; after reading the first few posts I thought the thread might turn out to be a complete mess.

Oakminster, I notice that JThunder apologized for part of what he said in the post that drew the warning, and as far as I can tell he doesn’t have a problem with Czarcasm’s actions. I think you’re seeing bias where there was none.

I have to agree with this, I went back and read it, and re read it, and I just can’t see it as you’re calling it. You seem kind of hyper sensitive or something. I’m not trying to say you have a victim complex, just that your actions here are making it look like you do.