Alexandria LA to Dallas TX is 300 miles (4 hours 19 mins, Google Maps).
They didn’t make a 9 hour round trip for a blunt or rock. This must of been a large transaction.
Brown allegedly shot Jacquerious Mitchell. A large stash of drugs was recovered from Brown’s apartment.
It’s so unfortunate. I was impressed by Brown’s demeanor in court and his testimony helped secure a conviction.
If by “conspiracy theories” you mean “thinking the local police force is a valid suspect in this murder”, then yeah, this “conspiracy theorist” thinks a drug deal gone bad is now looking a lot more likely than “crooked cops”.
Right- her life is effectively wrecked with a 10 year sentence. What sort of job/career is she likely to get after 10 years out of the workforce, a murder on her record, AND all this publicity?
And I agree- she shouldn’t be being punished or made an example of because of failures of the justice system elsewhere. That’s just adding shitty behavior on top of already shitty behavior. She should have been (and apparently was) sentenced based on the facts of her case, not on whatever else may have happened historically that she was not responsible for.
Maybe an interesting discussion for another thread, but does a “conspiracy theory” require competing a competing mainstream theory or hypothesis to be labeled as such, or is merely advancing a claim as most likely (or even least unlikely) without supporting evidence, a claim that would seem to hinge on the existence of a conspiracy, sufficient to label it as a conspiracy theory, with all the negative connotations that brings?
To be clear, I would go with the latter. I think the rush early on to pin this on the police (or even just to strongly imply that it was likely to be the police, as if the police are at best morally equivalent to the mafia) represents a failure of proper skepticism. There was no need to go that way just because there was insufficient evidence at the time to clearly point to some other cause.
Right-wing media darling.
No. There is a narrative among the sort of people you are thinking of that the good guy (or gal) with a gun never makes a mistake. She made a mistake, so she can’t be one of them.
If she ends up anything beyond just an obscure wage-slave post-release, I see some kind of religious ministry motivational speaker in her future. Bonus points if she’s not already born again.
To them, her only mistake was not getting away with it. One more dead black dude is a plus in their book. Probably just a drug dealer or something.
This story is just getting stranger all the time.
The term “conspiracy theory” does not just mean any theory that involves a conspiracy. It has a special meaning - something that involves a preposterously complex and implausible conspiracy involving a vast number of people, when more straightforward explanations are far more likely. The idea that a few bad cops might have conspired to murder someone and covered up their crime does not fit the definition.
Her life is nowhere near as wrecked as her victim’s life, which was ended by her decision to murder him. All of this sympathy for the (white, cop) murderer’s life being ‘ruined’ rings a bit hollow when you consider that the man she chose to kill has no more life, and is now nothing but a corpse. It makes me sick to hear people throw out all this sympathy for the depraved individual who elected to straight-up murder a man in his own home for no discernable reason, and ten years is nothing compared to the entire rest of his life.
So you’re asserting that laws that have been passed by congress and/or state legislatures, have stood for decades and received some updates but no repeal, and have survived review under the courts are all failures? While I have a negative opinion of the legal system in America, especially when drugs and/or minorities are involved, this does seem like a rather extreme position. Also the position of ‘well, how can you say this is a slap on the wrist? Oh no, you’re not allowed to compare the sentences handed out in much less severe crimes to this one’ isn’t exactly a sound one.
I think she’s a despicable murderer. But a ten year sentence seems okay, especially if she if prohibited from ever owning a gun again. Throwing her in jail for decades won’t help her victim.
And yes, I do think our sentences tend to be too long for all sorts of crimes, especially drug crimes.
So the story is that a guy testifying against the police kept a dozen pounds of pot in his house and kept dealing even while the media circus was ongoing. Then three guys made what was to be a nine hour round trip from Lousiana to Texas in order to buy marijuana from someone who was just involved in a giving testimony in a major case, resulting in heavy media and police attention on him. And their drug deal went bad, so they shot this public figure, first in the chest, then in the mouth. They then fled the scene of this failed drug deal, but decided not to take any of the drugs or money, and conveniently left a huge stash of drugs for police to find to show that this person who testified against one of theirs was an active drug dealer. Also of note is that Guyer’s apartment was never searched in the original case, even though she was the suspect and had admitted to being a drug user, but the apartments of both gunshot victims were searched.
I think that there is plenty of weed available for purchase in Louisiana without making an all-day drive, especially not an all-day drive to someone who’s been testifying against people in court and the subject of major media attention. And that people who are making a drug deal big enough to warrant a nine hour drive that goes bad are motivated enough to take the drugs and money when they kill the person they’re dealing with. I’m sure according to the ‘DPD can do no wrong’ crowd this makes me a terrible conspiracy theorist, but I really don’t see how someone can buy what they’re trying to sell.
At this point, to continue to argue the “cops did it” theory, you have to believe that the police killed him, left no witnesses, planted thousands of dollars of drugs in his apartment, found three people living in another state who owned a car identical to their getaway car, shot one of them non-fatally, and then talked him into implicating himself and the other two in both the murder and in federal drug trafficking charges.
That’s a conspiracy theory if ever I saw one.
At this point, even as I acknowledge that there is still some more investigating to do and probably a trial to follow, I cant help but wonder… What would it take to convince you (or at least leave you reasonably satisfied) that some portion of the DPD isn’t behind this?
You’re misrepresenting the facts of the case, either deliberately or out of ignorance.
Brown was obviously a big-time middleman in the drug trade, as evidenced by the amount of THC and cash found in his apartment. That’s not a job you can just give your two weeks notice on because you might be called to testify in a criminal trial sometime in the next year or two. Likewise, the three suspects weren’t visiting him just to buy a dimebag; these were, more likely than not, the guys who sell to the guys who sell to the guy who sells dimebags.
Brown was not shot in the mouth. He was shot twice in the abdomen. The claim that he was shot in the mouth was an early and long-since discounted statement, which probably arose because he was bleeding from the mouth as the result of one or both bullets entering his stomach.
The suspects didn’t “decided not to take any of the drugs or money”; they took Brown’s backpack, as well as the gun he used to shoot one of them. (You left out that one of the three was shot as well). As to the contents of his apartment; do you suppose that after one of them was shot, and they shot and killed Brown, that they would then take the time to toss his apartment while their friend was bleeding out and the other residents of the apartment were calling the cops to report a shooting? The reports indicate that after shots were heard, residents reported a silver sedan speeding away from the scene; it’s far more reasonable to assume that they fled in a panic with what they could get their hands on in that handful of seconds.
So Brown was a big-time middleman in the drug trade, but the cops never even suspected this until his testimony was done with? There was zero attempt to discredit this star witness by pointing out evidence of him being “a big-time middleman in the drug trade” while the department was working to protect one of their own and while the prosecutor’s office was threatening to subpoena him, but now all of a sudden he’s obviously a major drug dealer? I don’t find that explanation at all plausible, if he was a major player in the drug trade then it should have been found when police were investigating hard to clear Amber Guyer’s name.
I think it’s much more likely that cops planted the drugs in his apartment and are relying on people to make the leap ‘black man, drugs found in apartment, must be a major drug dealer’ than that all of these other pieces come together in just the exact way needed for a witness against a police officer to be a major drug dealer but police to be completely unaware of that fact until after he was shot.
So you say he can’t ‘give two weeks notice,’ but he did leave his old apartment, move to California and stay there until prosecutors threatened to issue warrants for him to get him to testify, and had only recently even been in his new apartment. And that his ‘job’ was so eager for him to return to work that they pushed him to work even when he’s under tight scrutiny from the police after testifying against one of them, and even though he did testify in court.
The cops have been willing to state how much weed they ‘found’ in his home, but not how much was in the backpack. Do you have a cite for the ‘weren’t visiting him just to buy a dimebag’ claim? And while I’m not an expert on drug trafficing, I have significant doubts that organizations send three people to drive eight hours to buy out of state weed and bring it back in general. And especially that they send people across state lines to buy weed from a person with major police and media interest who just got done testifying in a trial that was on the national news, and that they want to use said person as a ‘big time middleman’ so strongly that they have thousands of dollars of product in his apartment before all the paperwork is even done being filled out for the court case he just testified in.
I haven’t seen any firm statement of where he was shot. Do you have a cite for that? I’m perfectly willing to believe that he wasn’t shot in the mouth since it was an earlier statement, but I also haven’t seen anything that actually denies the earlier statement, just that the person who made said essentially ‘I’m not sure, lets wait for the autopsy’.
Well, they had a backpack and a gun that it’s alleged he used to shoot one of them. Nothing (as far as I know) has even been released about the contents of said backpack (while we’ve got exact drug weights from the apartment).
I suppose that people driving all day across state lines and killing someone as part of their drug deal would try to make off with the huge stash of money and drugs that police ‘found’ and released information about, yes.
An independent investigation not by the DPD is the biggest one; having a prime suspect handle the investigation just doesn’t make any sense. And a story that is more plausible than ‘some negroes hopped up on the demon weed drove all day to buy reefer and then shot each other’. I have no idea how anyone can take this tale seriously, especially with just how quickly this ‘detailed explanation’ is coming out while the investigation is still in progress. They’ve really blown their credibility for me by doing their ‘search’ of the victim’s apartment without oversight and conveniently finding large quantities of drugs which they then talked about to the press as quickly as possible. (And I’m still confused why DPD apparently has a policy of searching victim’s apartments but not those of perpetrators.)
Personally, I don’t find the narrative of a DPD frame-up outside the realm of plausibility, but it’s not yet the most likely scenario IMO.
So where do you draw that line? 10 years isn’t enough, but 20 is? Seems to me that you might be advocating some kind of “eye for an eye” type justice here.
No, what I’m saying is that the fact that minority defendants have received harsher or disproportionate sentences doesn’t have any bearing on HER sentencing. She’s not responsible for any of that, and it’s not just to punish her disproportionately out of some kind of misguided wish for vengeance against cops or white people.
And her sentencing IS in line with the state-mandated sentencing guidelines for the crime she was convicted of. It’s not like the guidelines were 15-40 years, and the judge gave her 10 or something totally out of bounds like that.
And finally, it’s not like this was a white redneck country judge presiding over a jury of white men. The judge was black, and majority of the jurors were people of color- in fact (from this Washington Post article), it was:
So if justice wasn’t done, it wasn’t a racial thing.
I haven’t heard of a DPD officer(s) being named as a “prime” suspect.
You search the crime scene, and you also search in places where you think you might find evidence that explains what happened. If you’re searching private property somewhere other than the crime scene, you need a search warrant, which requires a judge to review documented information to determine whether a warrant is justified by that information.
Jean’s apartment was a crime scene.
Brown’s apartment was searched subsequent to a search warrant being issued, subsequent to receiving tips which were found by a judge to justify said warrant.
I can’t think of a reason that they could have given to justify a search of Guyger’s apartment after she killed Jean.